Linked by Amy Bennett on Wed 16th Mar 2011 22:31 UTC
Qt When Microsoft and Nokia announced Nokia's move to Windows Phone 7, most people assumed the worst for Nokia's stewardship of the open source Qt, and indeed the company quickly sold its Qt licensing interests to Digia. But it looks like the company still has plans for Qt - and for the Symbian OS. Aaron Seigo, a Qt hacker employed by Nokia, told blogger Brian Proffitt that "Nokia is predicting over 150 million Symbian devices still to come" and "I think they've underestimated the longevity of Symbian".
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by diegocg on Wed 16th Mar 2011 23:39 UTC
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I think they overestimated Symbian. And that was why MeeGo was so late, apparently they believed that Symbian was good enought to keep Nokia on top of the market while they developed Meego. But Android was too fast...

As for the 150 million Symbian devices that are going to be sold: They are low-end phones, the Symbian market will only shrink until it dissapears/become completely irrelevant. iPhone and expensive Android phones, on the other hand, have a future. Symbian will only be bought by people that don't have a lot money to spend on apps (if they had money they would buy a middle/high-end smarthphone, not Symbian). So Symbian app development is not going to be very interesting. And ultimately it will need to compete against cheap androids and the android market...

I'm not very optimistic about QT as a major mobile development platform. All the major phone manufacturers are doing iPhone,Android or windows phone. QT could be used to develop iPhone/Android-NDK apps, but everything else seems to be covered.

Edited 2011-03-16 23:45 UTC

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RE: Underestimate?
by puelocesar on Thu 17th Mar 2011 01:30 in reply to "Underestimate?"
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Actually I'm pretty excited with the possibility of working with Qt Quick to create Android applications, as I hate coding Java and XML on Android.

Have you ever looked at the XMLs for declaring UIs on Android? And how much LoC you have to do to create small stupid things? It's horrible!

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RE[2]: Underestimate?
by werterr on Thu 17th Mar 2011 15:59 in reply to "RE: Underestimate?"
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Yup that's Java (or java like) for you

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RE: Underestimate?
by spiderman on Thu 17th Mar 2011 06:50 in reply to "Underestimate?"
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I just received my E7 on Monday. I paid €700 for it and I can tell you I'm very happy with it. For your information, I charged it on Monday and used it intensively. It's currently at more than half battery. But you probably prefer Android because the home screen scrolls with your finger natively?

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RE[2]: Underestimate?
by VZsolt on Thu 17th Mar 2011 16:20 in reply to "RE: Underestimate?"
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Maybe he prefers Android because the applications, the browser and (the most critical!) text input are so superior that it's almost too funny to compare.

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RE[2]: Underestimate?
by diegocg on Thu 17th Mar 2011 18:21 in reply to "RE: Underestimate?"
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No, it's because I would never pay 700€ for something that doesn't have a decent app store.

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RE: Underestimate?
by Neolander on Thu 17th Mar 2011 12:33 in reply to "Underestimate?"
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If symbian is not mid-end, what exactly is mid-end for you ?

For me, the three price ranges of the phone market are :
-Low-end : typically less than 150 euros, sticks with basic functionality (calling and texting, java games, simple camera and multimedia playback, alphanumeric keypad or touchscreen equivalent), communication-centric UI, good battery life.
-Mid-end : typically between 150 and 400 euros, offers more functionality (good e-mail and basic web browser, opens PDF and office files, better cameras and video, good file explorer, 3G connections) but keeps a communication-centric UI and decent battery life. QWERTY keyboards become more widespread. Third-party apps are available, but not often necessary as the OS does a lot as is. This is the realm of Symbian, BlackberryOS, bada.
-High-end : Large screens, shiny GPU-accelerated interfaces, some specific functionalities like web browsing are much better implemented but surprisingly there's much less functionality than in the mid-end. That's because of the "there's an app for that" mentality : in a way that's not without reminding the Linux desktop, manufacturers believe that third-party developers will do a better job than them at making their phones great. This is a very interesting model from a commercial standpoint, because manufacturers make money even after having sold the phone and have less work to do on their side. Battery life is terrible. This is the realm of iOS, Android, WP7, maybe QNX too.

Of course, there are exceptions, as an example Android (especially obsolete releases like 1.x) can be found on phones which belong to the mid-end price range, and low-end phones from LG and Samsung sometimes provide QWERTY keyboards (but do a terrible job at managing them). But overall, I still feel there's a rather clear-cut separation between these three groups, and I can't see how Symbian can be put in the low-end range, even with a great deal of effort.

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RE[2]: Underestimate?
by Not2Sure on Thu 17th Mar 2011 13:57 in reply to "RE: Underestimate?"
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You really have no idea what you're talking about Neolander.

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RE[2]: Underestimate?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 17th Mar 2011 15:30 in reply to "RE: Underestimate?"
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Mid End : Something that costs the same as a smart phone but isn't as good (software or hardware wise). Primarily purchased by people on the basis of the colour of the phone, and the lack of understanding of the phones available.

It used to be different in Europe than the states and maybe it still is, but a phone that's 3G capable is required to be used with a monthly data plan, without any consideration of it being "mid end" or "high end". With various sales and what not, there really isn't a significant difference in price when bought on contract.


Some overall worse phones are still bought due to legacy compatibility reasons. There are enterprise blackberry apps, and just die hard users that still get them. Plus some still use Win mobile 6 devices for apps unavailable on other platforms. So its not completely trivial when people buy a worse phone for the same amount of money.

Edited 2011-03-17 15:34 UTC

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