Linked by Amy Bennett on Wed 16th Mar 2011 22:31 UTC
Qt When Microsoft and Nokia announced Nokia's move to Windows Phone 7, most people assumed the worst for Nokia's stewardship of the open source Qt, and indeed the company quickly sold its Qt licensing interests to Digia. But it looks like the company still has plans for Qt - and for the Symbian OS. Aaron Seigo, a Qt hacker employed by Nokia, told blogger Brian Proffitt that "Nokia is predicting over 150 million Symbian devices still to come" and "I think they've underestimated the longevity of Symbian".
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RE: Underestimate?
by Neolander on Thu 17th Mar 2011 12:33 UTC in reply to "Underestimate?"
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If symbian is not mid-end, what exactly is mid-end for you ?

For me, the three price ranges of the phone market are :
-Low-end : typically less than 150 euros, sticks with basic functionality (calling and texting, java games, simple camera and multimedia playback, alphanumeric keypad or touchscreen equivalent), communication-centric UI, good battery life.
-Mid-end : typically between 150 and 400 euros, offers more functionality (good e-mail and basic web browser, opens PDF and office files, better cameras and video, good file explorer, 3G connections) but keeps a communication-centric UI and decent battery life. QWERTY keyboards become more widespread. Third-party apps are available, but not often necessary as the OS does a lot as is. This is the realm of Symbian, BlackberryOS, bada.
-High-end : Large screens, shiny GPU-accelerated interfaces, some specific functionalities like web browsing are much better implemented but surprisingly there's much less functionality than in the mid-end. That's because of the "there's an app for that" mentality : in a way that's not without reminding the Linux desktop, manufacturers believe that third-party developers will do a better job than them at making their phones great. This is a very interesting model from a commercial standpoint, because manufacturers make money even after having sold the phone and have less work to do on their side. Battery life is terrible. This is the realm of iOS, Android, WP7, maybe QNX too.

Of course, there are exceptions, as an example Android (especially obsolete releases like 1.x) can be found on phones which belong to the mid-end price range, and low-end phones from LG and Samsung sometimes provide QWERTY keyboards (but do a terrible job at managing them). But overall, I still feel there's a rather clear-cut separation between these three groups, and I can't see how Symbian can be put in the low-end range, even with a great deal of effort.

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RE[2]: Underestimate?
by Not2Sure on Thu 17th Mar 2011 13:57 in reply to "RE: Underestimate?"
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You really have no idea what you're talking about Neolander.

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RE[2]: Underestimate?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 17th Mar 2011 15:30 in reply to "RE: Underestimate?"
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Mid End : Something that costs the same as a smart phone but isn't as good (software or hardware wise). Primarily purchased by people on the basis of the colour of the phone, and the lack of understanding of the phones available.

It used to be different in Europe than the states and maybe it still is, but a phone that's 3G capable is required to be used with a monthly data plan, without any consideration of it being "mid end" or "high end". With various sales and what not, there really isn't a significant difference in price when bought on contract.


Some overall worse phones are still bought due to legacy compatibility reasons. There are enterprise blackberry apps, and just die hard users that still get them. Plus some still use Win mobile 6 devices for apps unavailable on other platforms. So its not completely trivial when people buy a worse phone for the same amount of money.

Edited 2011-03-17 15:34 UTC

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RE[3]: Underestimate?
by Neolander on Thu 17th Mar 2011 16:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Underestimate?"
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Around here at least, this equivalence between mid-end and high-end is only true if you're ready to ditch ~40€/month in a phone contract.

For someone who can find good enough plans for ~20€/month, we're talking about saving 480 euros on the duration of a 24-month contract. That's quite a lot of money. In many situations, buying a phone with a contract based on the idea that it is cheaper *at purchase time* is deception. It's the same trick as bank credit : the numbers are smaller, but in the end you pay more.

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