Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th Mar 2011 13:19 UTC
Legal And so Sony's crusade against Playstation 3 hacker George "Geohot" Hotz continues. After Sony getting all of Geohot's computers and access to server logs and personal details from many of his websites and social media accounts, Sony has now been given access to Geohot's PayPal account, and all information within it - including of the people he has had financial dealings with.
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In Sony's corner
by infekt on Thu 17th Mar 2011 17:27 UTC
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Member since:
2008-03-30

I don't know. This article is overwhelmingly one sided. Let me start by saying flat out: I'm a gamer. I've gone through the Atari 2600, C64, A500/1200, Gameboy, Lynx, 3DO, several PCs, PS1/2/3, PSP, xbox, Wii, etc.

What does this "Hotz vs Sony" case mean to me? I fear most that Sony (Nintendo, MS, etc) will levy a fee to ensure that games are harder to pirate in the future. That worries me. But After not being able to play online with my friend because of broken games (due to hacks) I feel no remorse for hackers as my gaming time (of which I have very little these days) suffers. It takes away from the MAIN purpose of the machine: GAMING.

On the subject of Hotz, trying to enable homebrew only is weak. An intelligent person should weight the pros and cons of his/her actions. And honestly, he was the enabler for the hacks (whether he intended to do so from the beginning or not). There is no question of that.

So as a gamer, I want Hotz to be made an example of. I tinker with Linux (Ubuntu/Gentoo) and dev for Android. Its frustrating when the indirect result of these hacks means that developer lose out (as they need to get paid and feed their families). That action to me is appalling.

All the power to you Sony. You have at least one gamer / dev behind you.

Edited 2011-03-17 17:35 UTC

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RE: In Sony's corner
by WereCatf on Thu 17th Mar 2011 17:52 in reply to "In Sony's corner"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

On the subject of Hotz, trying to enable homebrew only is weak. An intelligent person should weight the pros and cons of his/her actions. And honestly, he was the enabler for the hacks (whether he intended to do so from the beginning or not). There is no question of that.

So as a gamer, I want Hotz to be made an example of.


Gee, that is not only ignorant but also damn selfish. Blame the people who create the cheats and hacks instead. It's like blaming LG for creating DVD-burners because other people then use those to burn pirated DVDs! Or do you go and blame for example the people who create hammers? You do know that some people those to kill others, don't you? Oh, wait, to be more in line with your argument you should actually go ahead and blame IBM for creating Cell and for actually making IBM PC-compatible in the first place!

Argh. I am so annoyed by you selfish little pr*cks who just want to place blame on anyone they can instead of blaming the people who are actually responsible. Cheaters and those who create the cheats are the responsible parties and that's that, but oh no, you rather place it all on a person who himself never encouraged piracy or cheating in the first place.

EDIT: Thought to add that cheating WAS already possible way before even the first CFW appeared. But you choose to ignore that, it's more comfortable for you to have someone to blame. Also, it's apparently not the companies' fault themselves not to sanitize input and just blindly trusting whatever client reports to the servers, right? ANY sane gaming company should always, at all times, sanitize the input, but they just chose to blindly trust anything they get and then you get this kind of a mess. Again, it's just easier to blame it on Hotz than the companies themselves...

Edited 2011-03-17 17:55 UTC

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RE[2]: In Sony's corner
by infekt on Thu 17th Mar 2011 19:05 in reply to "RE: In Sony's corner"
infekt Member since:
2008-03-30

Argh. I am so annoyed by you selfish little pr*cks who just want to place blame on anyone they can instead of blaming the people who are actually responsible.


Jesus. So much for being civil. Look, this will send out a message to stop stealing bread and butter from developers pockets used to feed families. We live in a capitalistic society. Once we reach a Utopian / resource based society where the basic needs to all humans are fulfilled, I will conform to "your ways". Until then, I'm allowed to have an opinion; right or wrong. No need to personally bash someone.

Anyways, back to playing Hard Corps Uprising. ;)

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RE: In Sony's corner
by zimbatm on Thu 17th Mar 2011 18:22 in reply to "In Sony's corner"
zimbatm Member since:
2005-08-22

You just fell in the trap. Hotz impersonates all the problems for Sony and that is what they want you to believe.

That way, you won't start blaming the game manufacturers that poorly crafted their games and put essential parts on the client-side (things that PC games don't do for ages). You won't blame the persons who easily developed the cheats, because they are too many. You won't blame Sony that doesn't respect you and removes features from a device you own (who knows, maybe next time it will be something you will care of).

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RE: In Sony's corner
by nt_jerkface on Thu 17th Mar 2011 20:43 in reply to "In Sony's corner"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

I'd like to remind everyone that

there is no -1 don't like your opinion

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RE: In Sony's corner
by roger_ramjet on Thu 17th Mar 2011 21:06 in reply to "In Sony's corner"
roger_ramjet Member since:
2007-04-30

Your attitude is disgusting. He was re-enabling features that were ADVERTISED BY SONY when it was released.

I was using it as a COMPUTER in edition to a gaming machine which was part of the marketing. Instead of directing your anger at Sony who took away marketed features that SOME PEOPLE PAID FOR without adequate information to end users that it would be REMOVED (otherOS)you directed it at an individual that was trying to restore my RIGHTS as part of my purchase (OtherOS).

If devices are merely leased and we do not own them then this should be much more obvious when it is purchased. Features should not be implemented,marketed,sold and then REMOVED.

Get a clue you simple gamer.

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RE[2]: In Sony's corner
by nt_jerkface on Thu 17th Mar 2011 21:35 in reply to "RE: In Sony's corner"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

He was re-enabling features that were ADVERTISED BY SONY when it was released.


You can still use it as a Linux server, you just can't update it. And he was trying to break out of the hypervisor with Linux before OtherOS was disabled.

Why anyone would think it is a good idea to use a Sony console as a server is beyond me. Sure you might get some good cpu power/price initially but the ram is limited and the parts can't be replaced.

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