Linked by Dedoimedo on Thu 17th Mar 2011 23:17 UTC
Debian and its clones Writing about Debian is not a simple thing. You know it's the giant that has spawned pretty much every other distro out there. It's almost like a Roman Empire, almost a taboo. Furthermore, it's not a desktop distro per se. It's more sort of a template you use to build your platform. It's also a SOHO server distro, therefore it more fits into the business category, comparable to CentOS and similar.
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In before the flames!
by Ripples on Thu 17th Mar 2011 23:38 UTC
Ripples
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2005-07-06

There are probably going to be a lot of angry people posting about this article, but I believe that the overall theme is true. No longer should it be acceptable to make an installer that just doesnt crash in the middle or just has the ability to actually do what you want, but actually does what you want and without a lot of work from the user. I know Debian spends a lot of time working on their apps and overall experience, but it seems like they are going to have to spend more time on the installer.

Its also going to be pretty tough getting away not supporting hardware for pure ideological reasons. There are many hardware developers that are opening their specs but also many distros that are including ways to get the proprietary bits easy.

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RE: In before the flames!
by Flatland_Spider on Fri 18th Mar 2011 05:03 in reply to "In before the flames!"
Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

I know Debian spends a lot of time working on their apps and overall experience, but it seems like they are going to have to spend more time on the installer.


Right because the installer is all most reviewers see.

I may be in the minority, but all I want an installer to do is get a booting operating system on disk. I can deal with the rest of the stuff later. If it does anything automagically, that just a bonus.

Its also going to be pretty tough getting away not supporting hardware for pure ideological reasons.


Not really. People just except it as it is. It's about setting priorities and understanding what you need. If you need everything to be working on first boot there are other distros designed with that in mind. Of course, those distros load all sorts of crap which may need to be removed if you just want something small, like RHEL/CentOS/Fedora.

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RE: In before the flames!
by sorpigal on Fri 18th Mar 2011 12:48 in reply to "In before the flames!"
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2005-11-02

Who gives a damn about the installer? I've got Debian boxes running Squeeze that were installed from the potato installer. For those of you trying to "Sqeeze Minus Potato" arithmetic, that's 6.0 - 2.2 and accounts for 11 years of life.

Debian's installer is worlds better than it was, highly functional and well suited to its purpose. There are still some oddities and deficiencies but nothing that requires a genius to figure out and nothing that's a showstopper, unless you think that doing a netinst over a wireless link on a card that isn't supported by Debian/main is reasonable. The installer is evolving and improving the way it should: slowly, incrementally, and without breaking anything that used to work.

If you really care about how glitzy your installer is and how convenient it is you can go and get Ubuntu or any true Debian-based user friendly distribution. And be happy! But don't go around saying "Debian sucks" because you couldn't install it, as Ye Olde Reviewer just did. You'll give people the impression that there's something wrong with Debian. There isn't. It's not wrong, it's just right.

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