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Debian and its clones Writing about Debian is not a simple thing. You know it's the giant that has spawned pretty much every other distro out there. It's almost like a Roman Empire, almost a taboo. Furthermore, it's not a desktop distro per se. It's more sort of a template you use to build your platform. It's also a SOHO server distro, therefore it more fits into the business category, comparable to CentOS and similar.
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Reality
by marcus0263 on Fri 18th Mar 2011 01:22 UTC
marcus0263
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2007-06-02

If you want a "Wizard" that does everything for you - pay the money for Windows and do it "their way". If you want to 'dabble" with Linux but still go with generic installs, install Ubuntu. If you want a stable, powerful OS run Debian and do it "your way".

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RE: Reality
by Morgan on Fri 18th Mar 2011 03:22 in reply to "Reality"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

If you want a "Wizard" that does everything for you - pay the money for Windows and do it "their way".

Or a Mac, with the added benefit of a BSD backend.

If you want to 'dabble" with Linux but still go with generic installs, install Ubuntu.

Seconded.

If you want a stable, powerful OS run Debian and do it "your way".

This is where I say Slackware or Arch instead of Debian. Not because Debian isn't stable or powerful; indeed it can be both. However, I think in their dual quest to be both the purest and the most versatile distro they have reached a point where they are blind to that third necessity: Installable by a newbie. Even the comparably archaic Slackware installer is easy and painless enough for newbies provided they pay attention, and it's about as intimate as you're going to get with your hardware when running a Linux based OS. Slack and Arch are the epitome of doing it "your way".

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RE[2]: Reality
by nt_jerkface on Fri 18th Mar 2011 03:53 in reply to "RE: Reality"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

However, I think in their dual quest to be both the purest and the most versatile distro they have reached a point where they are blind to that third necessity: Installable by a newbie.


Why is that a necessity? Is there a Linux desktop movement standards committee?

My opinion of Debian is that it is ran by some of the looniest GPL loons (iceweasel???) but they have never tried pushing a fake image on me. Like Slackware they aren't claiming to be ready for Grandma's desktop so I don't see why anyone would complain about their distro not being user friendly.

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RE[2]: Reality
by Ragpickr on Fri 18th Mar 2011 09:04 in reply to "RE: Reality"
Ragpickr Member since:
2011-03-18

Nonsense! Even Ubuntu does not support all the wireless drivers by default and asks the user to install windows driver! Ubuntu does not ask you to make your "root" password and after installation creates problem by seeking administrator's/authentication password if you wish to install any software or visit a partition which was not mounted by default. I am not blaming Ubuntu. In fact to use any OS, ONE HAS TO HAVE A LITTLE PATIENCE TO GET FAMILIAR WITH ITS ENVIRONMENT AND TRY TO LEARN THINGS TO DO WHAT YOU WISH TO DO. Thank you.

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RE[2]: Reality
by marcus0263 on Sat 19th Mar 2011 00:40 in reply to "RE: Reality"
marcus0263 Member since:
2007-06-02

Slack is a good distro and with all Linux distro's it really comes down to the package manager. On my web servers I use Gentoo, it's best IMO for running on a VPS due to it's ability to really customize. Apt and Portage IMO are the best package managers. I simply loath RPM's and Slacks slapt falls short. Apt and Portage are simply outstanding for resolving/maintaining depdencies

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RE[2]: Reality - mac
by jabbotts on Mon 21st Mar 2011 19:47 in reply to "RE: Reality"
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2007-09-06

sure, OsX has the BSD back end.. shame about all that Apple front end making swiss cheese of the security potentially offered by BSD.

http://www.h-online.com/security/features/Hackers-versus-Apple-1202...

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RE: Reality
by tony on Sat 19th Mar 2011 03:00 in reply to "Reality"
tony Member since:
2005-07-06

If you want a "Wizard" that does everything for you - pay the money for Windows and do it "their way". If you want to 'dabble" with Linux but still go with generic installs, install Ubuntu. If you want a stable, powerful OS run Debian and do it "your way".


Comments like this are obnoxious. There's an insipid circular argument in Linux and FOSS in general:

Statement: "I'm not an expert, I don't think I can handle Linux"

Counter: "It's just as easy as Windows! And better!"

and then later:

Statement: "It was too difficult, this didn't work"

Counter: "You n00b, you're not l33t enough. Go back to Windows"

So someone didn't like your favorite Distro. He had valid comments, but rather than address them you attack the messenger. Classy. I liked the review, because it let me know what I'd be in store for if I tried it, and I'm going to avoid it. Not because my skills aren't leet enough, but because I don't have time. I'd rather go with a powerful distro that's a lot quicker to get up and running. I don't have anything against someone who prefers Debian, but there are people who like to get stuff up and running, who don't have time to spend hours working with an OS when they could be spending minutes.

Also, don't confuse familiar with superior.

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RE[2]: Reality
by Soulbender on Sat 19th Mar 2011 09:08 in reply to "RE: Reality"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I don't think anyone who says Linux is as easy as WIndows would set their friend up with Debian and even if they did it's not Debians fault that these people are idiots.

I don't have anything against someone who prefers Debian, but there are people who like to get stuff up and running, who don't have time to spend hours working with an OS when they could be spending minutes.


Then you dont use Dedian. I mean, seriously, is this difficult? Do your homework and pick what is suitable for you and your task. Is this really like rocket science or something?

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RE[2]: Reality - here's a better review
by jabbotts on Mon 21st Mar 2011 20:37 in reply to "RE: Reality"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

If you want a review comparable that lets you know what you may be in for:

http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-debian-squeeze

You get lots of screenshots of the installer and details about the install.

sarcasm aside, this is actually a fantastic way to preview what you could potentially be in for. I've often checked back to pull some single step from here for another machine I'm tossing together. You'll see places where config by text is still done too so it's not like it's promoting any side's agenda over the other.

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