Linked by Dedoimedo on Thu 17th Mar 2011 23:17 UTC
Debian and its clones Writing about Debian is not a simple thing. You know it's the giant that has spawned pretty much every other distro out there. It's almost like a Roman Empire, almost a taboo. Furthermore, it's not a desktop distro per se. It's more sort of a template you use to build your platform. It's also a SOHO server distro, therefore it more fits into the business category, comparable to CentOS and similar.
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Anonymous Penguin
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As stated so well the author of this article, it is difficult to criticize Debian. Without incurring the wrath of fans maniac Debian.


Freebsd has the same problems as Debian. Lots and lots of attention but in the end who really install and use. Except the fans. Which represents only a small number of people in the world of PC.

I suppose you mean "Debian zealots"
I haven't met many of them, I have met by far more other distros' zealots, since I use Linux (8 years).

Debian as FreeBSD? I don't see how. Debian has had, since Sarge, an installer with hardware auto configuration. Besides without Debian how many Linux distros wouldn't exist? More than half.
FreeBSD has only one derivative of some relevance, PC-BSD, which is 23rd at DistroWatch.
Debian itself is 4th at DistroWatch, thus it can't be such crap, nor it can be used only by a few zealots.

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Geekboula Member since:

Your comment gives me reason! Being 4th on Distrowatch Either means nothing. Like being first. This ranking is based on the pages visited.

My experience with Debian is based on three desktop and 1 laptop. The same problem has been recurring on 4 PCs. No sound, wifi setup that works not, and installation step is very long too long. At the end you have basic soft with a look 90s. Sorry but it's reality.
This does not detract from the quality of Debian development. But trying too hard to be a purist, it misses the needs of ordinary PC user.
True that there are several distro based on Debian, they are also more popular. Probably they have understood something that the Debian team has not grasped yet. Even aptosid is more polished in every way and you install in some few clicks.

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sorpigal Member since:

If you expect your hardware to "just work" then install a distribution that emphasizes making that happen. Yes, Debian will typically not autoconfigure some things that could be autoconfigured and are autoconfigured by some other distributions. For me it is no problem to set those things manually. After it's set, who cares?

Debian doesn't make decisions for you unless it has cause. This is one of the primary reasons I like it: Debian won't do something unless it can be done correctly. If there really is no universally correct way to guess at autoconfiguration then they will leave it to you, the sysadmin, to configure it. That's as it should be. That's not a mistake! It is by design.

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:

Even aptosid is more polished in every way and you install in some few clicks.

When you use Aptosid you are just using Debian Sid with a different installer and a more recent kernel, big deal.

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jabbotts Member since:

If you can use the parent distribution, do so. If you can't, use an appropriate child fork.

This isn't meant to sound harsh. I started with Red Hat when it still included mp3 codecs. When it became less good as a desktop distro I ended up with a child fork that was more appropriate; Mandrake. It was also one of the first "user friendly" and had fantastic gui config tools. The child fork was better suited to me and was when I really started figuring things out. Now, I've gone the other way having switched from .rpm to .deb based. The fork parent fits my needs so for me, there is no reason to use a child fork like Ubuntu or Mint specialized liveCD tools not withstanding.

For other's, a child fork of Debian may be better suited to there needs. In such cases, use the child fork rather than the parent.

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