Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Oct 2005 13:03 UTC, submitted by Hakime Seddik
Apple "This is partly a story about a company called Apple Computer. It's also partly a story about a fancy new iPod that plays videos as well as music and that could dramatically change the way people entertain themselves. But it's mostly a story about new things and where they come from, about which there are a few popular misconceptions."
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RE[2]: Fatal!
by alcibiades on Tue 18th Oct 2005 05:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Fatal!"
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Have I been asleep for the last three years?

No. And I do not think Apple is in big trouble at present, other than that experience shows anyone acclaimed on the cover of Time or Business Week is almost certainly peaking!

What I and some others are saying is, look at the facts and look at the numbers. The rest of the world is not trying to catch up. What has happened is, Apple has at last caught up somewhat in the PC product line, and has developed one new leading product line in the music space. However, it is a long way as a company from consistent profitable growth based on innovation. It is a long, long way from the kind of innovation and growth that characterised the great days of, say, 3M. A three year recovery from financial disaster is a good performance. Jobs and the team deserve credit for it. Its doesn't deserve all these hysterical accolades. It is not a reason for Cupertino to think they are the chosen of the earth. Its just what the general run of companies do, and its what good turn around CEOs do.

Look again at the morningstar numbers, and you'll see this is right. While you are at it, look at Cisco and Dell performance. Look at IBMs fall from grace and recovery. This is a company like any other.

And a subcontracted box that allows people to watch Desperate Housewives at low resolution may make money. But it is not brilliant, creative, innovative and so on. Its just another product.

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RE[3]: Fatal!
by skingers6894 on Tue 18th Oct 2005 10:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Fatal!"
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A company like any other? Cisco, Dell and IBM have not been "going out business" for 20 years.

If they truly were a company "just like any other" then they would be out of business now. They would be Commodore or Atari or any one of those others that were there at the start of the PC "revolution", but they aren't. They just had a 10 Billion+ year, DESPITE the fact that Windows has 95% market share.

It is remarkable that they are not only still here but still having big influence in the industry WELL in excess of the market share they possess. It is innovative products that allow that to happen.

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RE[4]: Fatal!
by alcibiades on Tue 18th Oct 2005 12:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Fatal!"
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"If they truly were a company "just like any other" then they would be out of business now"

Well no. Relatively few companies of the size of Apple go out of business. It is not a particularly remarkable feat to have stayed in business.

It is not, either they are great or they are zeros. Its rather, they have done quite well in some ways, not so well in others, just like many other companies. There are some companies that have done much better and some much worse. They are, really, just another company in the computer/consumer electronics market. Their performance is nothing special, as the Morningstar numbers prove.

The hysteria of their claque, now that is very special indeed.

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