Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 19th Mar 2011 00:06 UTC
Mac OS X "A commercial ZFS solution is (still) coming to Mac OS X, thanks to former Apple filesystem and OS engineer Don Brady (who previously worked on the abandoned internal Apple project to port ZFS). Brady and his company, Ten's Complement, just launched a limited private beta in hopes to have the software polished and ready for a summer launch this year. Ars spoke with Brady, who has a long history engineering filesystems for Mac OS and Mac OS X, to find out a little about his previous work with ZFS at Apple, and what Mac users can expect to gain from Ten's Complement's port of ZFS."
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Will definitely buy...
by chekr on Sat 19th Mar 2011 09:57 UTC
chekr
Member since:
2005-11-05

This is something I will definitely buy for my Mac.

He is right not to target this at enterprise customers as Apple is clearly leaning away from that market right now.

Hopefully Apple will ease up and allow some sort of licensing arrangement for OS X Server to run on non Apple servers (seeing as they now have none).

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RE: Will definitely buy...
by someone on Sat 19th Mar 2011 14:07 in reply to "Will definitely buy..."
someone Member since:
2006-01-12

OS X server is part of Mac OS X Lion (there won't be a server version)

http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ (At the end of the page)

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RE[2]: Will definitely buy...
by chekr on Sun 20th Mar 2011 00:41 in reply to "RE: Will definitely buy..."
chekr Member since:
2005-11-05

OS X server is part of Mac OS X Lion (there won't be a server version)

http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ (At the end of the page)


I am aware of that but its is still a separate install option. Apple could change the license to state that when using the server option it is permissible to run OS X in a VM on non Apple HW.

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RE[2]: Will definitely buy...
by Stratoukos on Sun 20th Mar 2011 10:37 in reply to "RE: Will definitely buy..."
Stratoukos Member since:
2009-02-11

We don't know that. Although I sure hope so, it could be just for the developer previews.

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RE: Will definitely buy...
by JAlexoid on Sat 19th Mar 2011 14:07 in reply to "Will definitely buy..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Hopefully Apple will ease up and allow some sort of licensing arrangement for OS X Server to run on non Apple servers (seeing as they now have none).

Why would they need to? Since OS X Server is basically all of the F/OSS software with a pretty front end...

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RE[2]: Will definitely buy...
by someone on Sat 19th Mar 2011 14:14 in reply to "RE: Will definitely buy..."
someone Member since:
2006-01-12

Designing easy-to-use user interfaces is Apple's specialty.

ps. I am sure someone will follow my comment with Apple's UI design error from past and present

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

"Hopefully Apple will ease up and allow some sort of licensing arrangement for OS X Server to run on non Apple servers (seeing as they now have none).

Why would they need to? Since OS X Server is basically all of the F/OSS software with a pretty front end...
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Sadly, this is not *completely* true. OSX doesn't update their F/OSS very often. Its really outdated ( full of security holes and other nastys), and there really is a lot of F/OSS software not available outside of darwin ports or fink ( which means all of the pretty front end stuff doesn't work with it). It might be a good replacement for an internal small business server that doesn't need exchange, sharepoint, active directory, or anything else MS specific. As long as it only needs the F/OSS that Macs come with.

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RE[2]: Will definitely buy...
by John Blink on Sat 19th Mar 2011 23:00 in reply to "RE: Will definitely buy..."
John Blink Member since:
2005-10-11

"Hopefully Apple will ease up and allow some sort of licensing arrangement for OS X Server to run on non Apple servers (seeing as they now have none).

Why would they need to? Since OS X Server is basically all of the F/OSS software with a pretty front end...
"

Well my only thoughts about this is,

- How would I apply MCX settings to Mac clients?
- How would I set up NetInstall for Mac clients?
- How would I save bandwidth for all Mac clients for software updates.

It might be F/OSS setting up, ftp, email, web server, etc. But Apple did do some specific things for their software platform.

To the person, you quoted. It would be great if they allowed it and specifically virtualised OSX server. Currently you are allowed to Virtualise OSX server, but as long as the VM is running on Apple hardware. Well that server hardware is going away. After all Apple is soft..hardwa..gadgets.. company.

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RE[2]: Will definitely buy...
by chekr on Sun 20th Mar 2011 00:44 in reply to "RE: Will definitely buy..."
chekr Member since:
2005-11-05


Why would they need to? Since OS X Server is basically all of the F/OSS software with a pretty front end...


Because Mac shops will be able to leverage their existing Mac experienced admins rather than going out and getting a Windows, Unix or Linux admin.

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RE: Will definitely buy...
by someone on Sat 19th Mar 2011 14:12 in reply to "Will definitely buy..."
someone Member since:
2006-01-12

In any case, I am not convinced that ZFS would be the perfect fit for a client OS that is increasingly focused on mobility. However, it would be nice if HFS+ could be further revamped with the addition of COW, checksums, snapshot, encryption (It appears the latter two are coming to Lion. Although Versions may not be implemented at the file system level) and other features useful to a mobile user, while avoiding the overhead of ZFS.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

What do you mean by mobile? Like, more notebooks are using it?

Surely, you know that the Ipad and the iphone do not run the full osX. Adding launchpad to Lion, and adding the app store doesn't make it a worse fit for ZFS.

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RE[2]: Will definitely buy...
by WereCatf on Sat 19th Mar 2011 14:57 in reply to "RE: Will definitely buy..."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

However, it would be nice if HFS+ could be further revamped with the addition of COW, checksums, snapshot, encryption


What's the point? If you're going to add all the features from ZFS why not just use ZFS in the first place?

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RE[2]: Will definitely buy...
by chekr on Sun 20th Mar 2011 00:46 in reply to "RE: Will definitely buy..."
chekr Member since:
2005-11-05

the overhead of ZFS.

The myth that ZFS has hug overhead is incorrect. ZFS is very configurable and can be configured to run on ARM platforms. Although never released their was some work to do this inside of Sun.

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