Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Mar 2011 17:24 UTC
Mac OS X Ten years ago, to the day. March 24, 2001, the first official released version of Mac OS X went on sale, for USD 129. It was a massive step up and a massive step down from MacOS 9 at the same time - technically way more advanced, but clearly still in its infancy and pretty much unusable. Kernel panics, crashes, incredibly slow, and lacking many key features. It was so bad, in fact, that Mac OS X 10.1 was released as a free upgrade. Of course, we geeks know that Mac OS X is technically a lot older, but alas, let's just celebrate these 10 years. Maybe Lion will finally bring a usable non-crashing Finder!
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RE[6]: About the Finder
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 25th Mar 2011 07:20 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: About the Finder"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Why is that a user failure? Or are you just trolling?

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RE[7]: About the Finder
by henderson101 on Fri 25th Mar 2011 11:31 in reply to "RE[6]: About the Finder"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Why is that a user failure? Or are you just trolling?


It might not be user fail, but you have a lot of anecdotal evidence and so does everyone who contradicts you... the truth lies somewhere inbetween though. SMB has always been problematic on every non Microsoft platform, so using that as a reason the Finder sucks doesn't really prove a lot. Ever try using SMB under BeOS with Netserver? Exercise in pain. I've used Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard and the reliability of SMB has gotten better with each iteration. Couple that with the news that Lion is dropping SAMBA in favour of an Apple internal implementation, well, I guess the future might be better!

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RE[8]: About the Finder
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 25th Mar 2011 11:58 in reply to "RE[7]: About the Finder"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

It might not be user fail, but you have a lot of anecdotal evidence and so does everyone who contradicts you... the truth lies somewhere inbetween though.


Of course it does ;) . I'm not saying the Finder sucks for everyone - I'm just saying that it's probably the most hated piece of Mac OS X, and if you dive into Google even for 5 minutes, you'll see countless well-argued pieces as to why the finder sucks. This is not blind hatred - I would not buy Macs if it was, now would I? - but a consistently problematic part of Mac OS X that Apple STILL hasn't fixed, despite YEARS of well-argued complaints from people like Siracusa (or, as I call him, the World's Greatest Reviewer).

What you'll see from some Apple-centric folks is just because THEY have no issues with the Finder, then anyone that does is a troll, or it's his own fault, or Apple-moves-in-mysterious-ways, and so on. That really annoys me as it makes it seem as if I'm just making stuff up, as if all those people who find the Finder a mess are just.... Lying.

I know enough people who have no issues with the Finder. I also know enough people to whom the Finder is a hell. To disregard the second group just because you yourself have no problems is shortsighted and won't do anyone any good.

SMB has always been problematic on every non Microsoft platform, so using that as a reason the Finder sucks doesn't really prove a lot.


That's not true for me, at least. I've been using Linux since 2001, and *never* had any problems with Linux installations integrating nicely with SMB networks - no matter the distribution. Again - this doesn't mean SMB isn't to blame, but for me personally, the only bad citizen in my network is ALWAYS Mac OS X. It wouldn't surprise me to see outdated and badly configured SMB versions in Mac OS X - just like Apple has a tendency to lag behind with other open source and/or third party components.

Ever try using SMB under BeOS with Netserver?


Ever tried networking with BeOS - period? For all its awesomeness, BeOS was terrible on anything related to networking. Netserver was clearly alpha (or, if you're generous, beta) quality software. While BONE was a little bit better, it was anything but pleasant.

Couple that with the news that Lion is dropping SAMBA in favour of an Apple internal implementation, well, I guess the future might be better!


Have you any links about this? I'd love to read up on that!

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RE[7]: About the Finder
by t3RRa on Fri 25th Mar 2011 21:10 in reply to "RE[6]: About the Finder"
t3RRa Member since:
2005-11-22

It depends on what is in your mind when you are trolling in every Mac news article including the ones you posted. Is it an article about Finder in Mac OS X? If you want others not to defend Apples' side, just do not troll in the first place.

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RE[8]: About the Finder
by MysterMask on Sat 26th Mar 2011 07:42 in reply to "RE[7]: About the Finder"
MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

Totally agree.

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