Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Mar 2011 22:30 UTC
Legal Yesterday, we linked to a story about the most recent allegations Sony made against George 'GeoHot' Hotz in their ongoing court case. Supposedly, Hotz has sabotaged the hardware he had to hand over, and he had fled the country to further stifle the court case, among other things. Hotz' lawyer, as well as Hotz himself, have responded to these allegations. The gist? They're all nonsense.
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Amazing
by wocowboy on Fri 25th Mar 2011 10:26 UTC
wocowboy
Member since:
2006-06-01

You people's unwavering support for this crook just amazes me. This is like if someone buys a car from Ford, turns it into a flying car, sells the know-how for everyone else to make the engineering changes, then when Ford sues because some customers' hacked cars don't work right for their original purpose, everyone comes to the aid of the hacker! Ridiculous.

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RE: Amazing
by senshikaze on Fri 25th Mar 2011 11:38 in reply to "Amazing"
senshikaze Member since:
2011-03-08

But that is a good thing. If you buy a car from Ford, you are allowed to do whatever you please. People do, and sell, modifications to regular cars all the time. Some of those modifications can make your car not work sooner, or even immediately. Ford has no dog in that fight. As long as the person selling the modifications, or the plans for the modification, do not claim to represent Ford, there is nothing you, I, or Ford can do. Theoretically, this should be applicable in the computer world. It isn't because of stupid laws made by bought, corrupt politicians. Frankly, if you aren't on the hackers side, you are against every person that has ever rigged anything to work outside the box. And that is damn near everybody on Earth.

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RE: Amazing
by daedalus on Fri 25th Mar 2011 12:23 in reply to "Amazing"
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2011-01-14

This is like if someone buys a car from Ford, turns it into a flying car, sells the know-how for everyone else to make the engineering changes, then when Ford sues because some customers' hacked cars don't work right for their original purpose, everyone comes to the aid of the hacker! Ridiculous.


Why on Earth would Ford want to sue someone because they modified their own car and now it doesn't work? If anything were to happen, it would probably be the owner suing Ford for their car breaking down too soon. And that sort of case should be thrown out straight away, seeing as modifying your own car would void your warranty, and so it not working is your own responsibility. It's ridiculous that you think Ford should sue anyone for modifying their own car!

Oh, and a small point there: I wasn't aware Geohot was *selling* the know-how, was anyone else here?

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RE: Amazing - crook?
by jabbotts on Fri 25th Mar 2011 13:09 in reply to "Amazing"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I didn't realize the case had been completed and Mr Hotz found unequivically guilty of any crime? Maybe we want to wait until he's actually found guilty before assigning guilt? Seems there is somethign in the legal system about it suposingly working that way.

As other's have also pointed out. Your desire for a world where corporate business interests dictate private citizen's legal freedoms is a very scary one. You really aught to rethink that as the freedom to reverse engineer and modify one's own rightfully purchased property is a corner stone of technological advancement and engineering.

As for the car analogy; what does Ford care if a car owner's vehicle has been modified beyond being street legal? It's not Ford's concern; it's purely between the owner and the local police assuming the first is driving the vehicle on public roads patrolled by the second. Is it also unacceptable to you if a car owner modifies there vehicle beyond being street legal then only drives it on closed tracks?

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RE[2]: Amazing - crook?
by gerg on Tue 29th Mar 2011 17:01 in reply to "RE: Amazing - crook?"
gerg Member since:
2011-03-16

I don't think anyone is assigning guilt. I believe people are addressing the fact, based on what's available so far, he's working very hard to incriminate himself and validate Sony's claims.

Thus far, he's working hard to make himself appear very guilty.

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RE: Amazing
by WereCatf on Fri 25th Mar 2011 13:33 in reply to "Amazing"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

You people's unwavering support for this crook just amazes me. This is like if someone buys a car from Ford, turns it into a flying car, sells the know-how for everyone else to make the engineering changes, then when Ford sues because some customers' hacked cars don't work right for their original purpose, everyone comes to the aid of the hacker! Ridiculous.


This is a very poor analogy. As other have said it is solely on the owner's responsibility to maintain the car's street legality, if the owner does modifications that make it no longer fulfill the legality requirements then it's again only the owner who is at fault. It has nothing to do with Ford.

Secondly, Ford itself also encourages one to modify one's car. Even just something as small as adding neon lights, or replacing speakers is still a modification, and you can find plenty of such information on their forums. And that's perfectly all right.

Thirdly, Ford would be stupid to go out and start suing people. It is just extra money for them if people blow up their cars and have to buy new ones!

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RE: Amazing
by Soulbender on Fri 25th Mar 2011 17:33 in reply to "Amazing"
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2005-08-18

This is like if someone buys a car from Ford, turns it into a flying car, sells the know-how for everyone else to make the engineering changes


You do know that this is perfectly legal right? Or are you just completly ignorant?

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RE[2]: Amazing
by gerg on Tue 29th Mar 2011 17:14 in reply to "RE: Amazing"
gerg Member since:
2011-03-16

"This is like if someone buys a car from Ford, turns it into a flying car, sells the know-how for everyone else to make the engineering changes


You do know that this is perfectly legal right? Or are you just completly ignorant?
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Yes, its exactly like that exact that its completely unlike that. LOL.

The simple fact is, Ford doesn't even sale their vehicles at a loss so they can make money on parts and service - which IS what Sony does. Furthermore, Sony is protected by various IP laws, none of which are comparable to your poor analogy.

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