Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Mar 2011 17:24 UTC
Mac OS X Ten years ago, to the day. March 24, 2001, the first official released version of Mac OS X went on sale, for USD 129. It was a massive step up and a massive step down from MacOS 9 at the same time - technically way more advanced, but clearly still in its infancy and pretty much unusable. Kernel panics, crashes, incredibly slow, and lacking many key features. It was so bad, in fact, that Mac OS X 10.1 was released as a free upgrade. Of course, we geeks know that Mac OS X is technically a lot older, but alas, let's just celebrate these 10 years. Maybe Lion will finally bring a usable non-crashing Finder!
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RE[8]: About the Finder
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 25th Mar 2011 11:58 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: About the Finder"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

It might not be user fail, but you have a lot of anecdotal evidence and so does everyone who contradicts you... the truth lies somewhere inbetween though.


Of course it does ;) . I'm not saying the Finder sucks for everyone - I'm just saying that it's probably the most hated piece of Mac OS X, and if you dive into Google even for 5 minutes, you'll see countless well-argued pieces as to why the finder sucks. This is not blind hatred - I would not buy Macs if it was, now would I? - but a consistently problematic part of Mac OS X that Apple STILL hasn't fixed, despite YEARS of well-argued complaints from people like Siracusa (or, as I call him, the World's Greatest Reviewer).

What you'll see from some Apple-centric folks is just because THEY have no issues with the Finder, then anyone that does is a troll, or it's his own fault, or Apple-moves-in-mysterious-ways, and so on. That really annoys me as it makes it seem as if I'm just making stuff up, as if all those people who find the Finder a mess are just.... Lying.

I know enough people who have no issues with the Finder. I also know enough people to whom the Finder is a hell. To disregard the second group just because you yourself have no problems is shortsighted and won't do anyone any good.

SMB has always been problematic on every non Microsoft platform, so using that as a reason the Finder sucks doesn't really prove a lot.


That's not true for me, at least. I've been using Linux since 2001, and *never* had any problems with Linux installations integrating nicely with SMB networks - no matter the distribution. Again - this doesn't mean SMB isn't to blame, but for me personally, the only bad citizen in my network is ALWAYS Mac OS X. It wouldn't surprise me to see outdated and badly configured SMB versions in Mac OS X - just like Apple has a tendency to lag behind with other open source and/or third party components.

Ever try using SMB under BeOS with Netserver?


Ever tried networking with BeOS - period? For all its awesomeness, BeOS was terrible on anything related to networking. Netserver was clearly alpha (or, if you're generous, beta) quality software. While BONE was a little bit better, it was anything but pleasant.

Couple that with the news that Lion is dropping SAMBA in favour of an Apple internal implementation, well, I guess the future might be better!


Have you any links about this? I'd love to read up on that!

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RE[9]: About the Finder
by t3RRa on Sat 26th Mar 2011 12:35 in reply to "RE[8]: About the Finder"
t3RRa Member since:
2005-11-22

What you'll see from some Apple-centric folks is just because THEY have no issues with the Finder, then anyone that does is a troll, or it's his own fault, or Apple-moves-in-mysterious-ways, and so on. That really annoys me as it makes it seem as if I'm just making stuff up, as if all those people who find the Finder a mess are just.... Lying.

That's not true for me, at least. I've been using Linux since 2001, and *never* had any problems with Linux installations integrating nicely with SMB networks - no matter the distribution.

So to use your own words, I might say that just because you have no issues with SMB networks from Linux, then anyone that does is a troll, or it's his own fault and on and on..

I have had issues working with SBM network from Linux. Because you had no issues does it make there is no issue so am I trolling or lying or what?

That is why I am always telling you that you are totally biased and are trolling on every Mac related post or at least do many off topic postings including on this "article" (truely it should be called a blog or diary maybe?)

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RE[10]: About the Finder
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 26th Mar 2011 12:38 in reply to "RE[9]: About the Finder"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Why are you quoting my comment so selectively, and leaving out the important part? What a pathetic attempt at attacking me, kid. Let me quote it in full:

That's not true for me, at least. I've been using Linux since 2001, and *never* had any problems with Linux installations integrating nicely with SMB networks - no matter the distribution. Again - this doesn't mean SMB isn't to blame, but for me personally, the only bad citizen in my network is ALWAYS Mac OS X.


Seriously. Go troll somewhere else.

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RE[9]: About the Finder
by WorknMan on Sun 27th Mar 2011 05:17 in reply to "RE[8]: About the Finder"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Of course it does ;) . I'm not saying the Finder sucks for everyone - I'm just saying that it's probably the most hated piece of Mac OS X, and if you dive into Google even for 5 minutes, you'll see countless well-argued pieces as to why the finder sucks.


What I want to know is, does it suck as bad as Windows Explorer does? Explorer seems to somehow get worse with every new Windows release; MS seems more concerned with adding eye candy to it rather than useful functionality such as tabs and wildcard filtering. A 3rd party file manager is almost required on Windows, except that most companies won't allow employees to install one ;)

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