Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Mar 2011 22:30 UTC
Legal Yesterday, we linked to a story about the most recent allegations Sony made against George 'GeoHot' Hotz in their ongoing court case. Supposedly, Hotz has sabotaged the hardware he had to hand over, and he had fled the country to further stifle the court case, among other things. Hotz' lawyer, as well as Hotz himself, have responded to these allegations. The gist? They're all nonsense.
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But it IS happening
by wocowboy on Fri 25th Mar 2011 13:49 UTC
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2006-06-01

Search the message boards, blogs, etc and you will find all sorts of cases where a user brings his game system, phone, computer, whatever, into the shop or store where he bought it, with it broken, unable to boot, etc, and the store finds out during the fixit process that it has been hacked, kernel replaced, firmware replaced that it was DESIGNED to work with, etc. And when the user is told their equipment cannot be fixed or supported because it is no longer stock, that user gets all bent out of shape and goes on EVERY board they can find, calling the company names, slamming their products and policies, when in reality, it was HIMSELF that modified his gadgets beyond what they were DESIGNED to be and do. Or he might try to sue the manufacturer for not telling him that his gadget could be rendered useless if he modifies the firmware, etc. That's the sort of thing I am talking about. But I would be willing to bet any amount of money, that he would find support on here and other boards, because the gadget was HIS, he bought it and can do whatever he wants to it, and the company should support that unwaveringly. To that I say, NO.

Edited 2011-03-25 13:51 UTC

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RE: But it IS happening
by jack_perry on Fri 25th Mar 2011 14:15 in reply to "But it IS happening"
jack_perry Member since:
2005-07-06

Search the message boards, blogs, etc and you will find all sorts of cases where a user brings his game system, phone, computer, whatever, into the shop or store where he bought it, with it broken, unable to boot, etc, and the store finds out during the fixit process that it has been hacked, kernel replaced, firmware replaced that it was DESIGNED to work with, etc.

Fair enough.

Or he might try to sue the manufacturer for not telling him that his gadget could be rendered useless if he modifies the firmware, etc.

I doubt that would stand up in court, unless the manufacturers' lawyers were incompetent enough to write a warranty that didn't explicitly exclude that.

But I would be willing to bet any amount of money, that he would find support on here and other boards, because the gadget was HIS, he bought it and can do whatever he wants to it, and the company should support that unwaveringly. To that I say, NO.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "find support". Are there some folks who would support him? Perhaps; the world is full of dumb people. Would most people on this board support him? I doubt that. The GPL fans would have to disagree with that route out of consistency; otherwise any user who tinkered with GPL code, and broke their system, let alone their hardware, could sue them. (The GPL explicitly excludes even the implied warranty of merchantability or fitness for a purpose).

It's unfortunate that we live in a lawsuit-happy world, and that corporations have to squander money defending themselves against frivolous lawsuits. On the other hand, the same corporations haven't shown themselves averse to filing frivolous lawsuits. Even supporters of software patents admit that a great number of the lawsuits out there are nonsense.

Edited 2011-03-25 14:18 UTC

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RE[2]: But it IS happening
by gerg on Tue 29th Mar 2011 17:04 in reply to "RE: But it IS happening"
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2011-03-16

It's unfortunate that we live in a lawsuit-happy world

Seems to imply you live in the US. The US is quite likely the most litigious country in the history of mankind. In much of the rest of the world, they are typically not quite so idiotic. In fact, the closer you get to New York and California, the stronger the idiocy seems to become.

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RE: But it IS happening
by umccullough on Fri 25th Mar 2011 15:33 in reply to "But it IS happening"
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2006-01-26

And when the user is told their equipment cannot be fixed or supported because it is no longer stock, that user gets all bent out of shape and goes on EVERY board they can find, calling the company names, slamming their products and policies, when in reality, it was HIMSELF that modified his gadgets beyond what they were DESIGNED to be and do.


And there you have it... hackers need to be locked up because they provide tools to fscking morons who don't know how to use them properly.

While we're at it, let's outlaw screwdrivers because they might open up their devices and fiddle with them. You keep trying to defend your position there buddy - the rest of us are planning to actually live our free lives.

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RE: But it IS happening
by Soulbender on Fri 25th Mar 2011 17:38 in reply to "But it IS happening"
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2005-08-18

Wow, damn, you sure aren't one of the sharper tools. You do realize, I hope, that there's a difference between a void warranty and a court case? No one is saying Sony has to support hacked devices, dumbass.

because the gadget was HIS, he bought it and can do whatever he wants to it,


Yes, he can.

and the company should support that unwaveringly.


No, they dont have to.

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