Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 3rd Apr 2011 11:06 UTC, submitted by Debjit
Windows Yes, the Windows 8 rumour mill is really spinning up now. This time around though, they're not really rumours, since the information is coming from Rafael Rivera and Paul Thurrott, long-time Microsoft enthusiasts with loads of insider access. They've got a bunch of screenshots showing a work in progress of... A ribbon in Explorer. And yes, it looks just as bad as it sounds.
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RE[3]: Tabs? - for me at least...
by jabbotts on Sun 3rd Apr 2011 16:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Tabs?"
jabbotts
Member since:
2007-09-06

It depends on the task for me but usually it's an issue of not making multiple things visible.

In a browser where each website is a separate thing, tabs are great. I'd like more keyboard support in switching tabs but haven't put the effort into looking for that either so it's not that big a need.

In Thunderbird I don't like it so much. Maybe it's a lifetime of email programs opening an email in a new window or loosing the easy display overview of the mailbox while the email message tab is open. Here, the two objects are related. I don't leave the mailbox view to access the email preview; I want them both visible even if that means two separate windows beside each other.

In Dolphin (KDE4's file manager) I'm happy with the ability to split a view into two directories when copying between. I'd hate tabs though because one tab replaces the view of the other. If I don't want both directories accessible in the same view, I'll simply open a second Dolphin window and let the window manager's natural layering/tiling do it's job.

Konsole has had tabs for a long while but again, the purpose of multiple open shells for me is multiple visible shells. I want four displays beside each other not four displays with any three hidden at one time.

Vim I'm all about tabs but it may be more to do with "gt" sticking in my head and not being able to remember tiling switching commands when I actually need them. Tab switching is also keyboard driven by default and I can always open a second shell and vim if I really need two text files visible beside each other.

For a file manager, I'm just not feeling the excitement and grand possibilities provided by a tabbed display. No grief meant for those who do, it's simply not for me at this time (I'll give it a try when/if win8 includes it but I'm not optimistic).

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Praxis Member since:
2009-09-17

You know you don't have to use tabs if you don't want to. As in your examples, if you want or need to see two seperate windows side by side, but if you want to have something open, but not in your face all the time, tabs are fine to have. Dolphin supports tabs too, but doesn't shove them in your face if you don't want them, and you mentioned you like Dolphin, so obviously its possible to have a tab supporting file manger that doesn't cause you to tear your hair out.

As for the Ribbon UI in a file manager. I don't like it one bit. I found ribbon good enough for word. Its better at managing complexity and exposing functionality than menus that go seven layers deep or several rows of toolbars crammed with tiny confusing icons.

But a file manager should be simple. The menus should be decently shallow, the toolbar should have ample space, and a right click context menu should be all a normal user should need. Here the Ribbon adds complexity and visual clutter. Whats next a ribbon for IE, Windows Media player? Sometimes the UI just needs to disappear, not get bigger.

Also I'm assuming the yellow circles are just placeholder icons, because otherwise those would be abominations.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

"You know you don't have to use tabs if you don't want to."

Agreed, I never claimed one had to use the tabs provided by a given program. For example, the first thin I turn off with Konsole is the tabbed display. And in that regard it's perfectly fine. My grief is with programs which default to using tabs with no alternative available in the options and when tabs are not actually apropriate (for my uses).

I was simply giving examples based on my own use. For those that like tabs, that's fantastic, just don't try and sell them as the second coming or treasure at the end of the rainbow.

(edit): my work with GUI file managers is very mouse centric also. I value the mouse context menus far more than an button/menu/ribbon across the top of the window. If I drag something, I want to be asked "move or copy sir?" then see a progress display. Give me a right click to select Sort By and Detailed View then get out of my way so I can work with the files not the window frame.

None of this is meant to claim that other's work the same way. I only provide my own experience and preferences for contrast.

Edited 2011-04-03 19:46 UTC

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