Linked by David Adams on Mon 4th Apr 2011 02:22 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu The Register has posted a very unfavorable review of the new Ubuntu, focusing primarily on the new Unity Interface: "That's not to say there isn't much to love in Ubuntu 11.04 with the new Unity Interface being the primary news, but even for a beta this release is way too rough. Unity - regardless of what you think of it - isn't ready for prime time and it seems unlikely Canonical will iron out all its problems before the planned final release in April."
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Obvious alert...
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 4th Apr 2011 04:17 UTC
Bill Shooter of Bul
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2006-07-14

Ubuntu has been criticized for not doing much development, but just adding finishing touches. Well, Unity is not a finishing touch. Its a significant change to what was before, more so than the location of the close button for window or a color scheme. I applaud them for taking on the challenge. Taking that responsibility of development means that there will be more bugs and a longer qa cycle. They should not be criticized for releasing a beta with such issues in it. That was brave, and should be applauded. If and when the were to release a final version that contained major flaws ( really don't think the article touched on many that I would find offensive, IMHO), then they should be castigated. Taking on such risk may mean that they may have to ship parts of the code on a "ship when its ready" schedule rather than a "its been 6 months" schedule.

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RE: Obvious alert...
by Fergy on Mon 4th Apr 2011 07:38 in reply to "Obvious alert..."
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

I applaud them for taking on the challenge. Taking that responsibility of development means that there will be more bugs and a longer qa cycle. They should not be criticized for releasing a beta with such issues in it.

Ubuntu final releases always have felt like beta's to me so I find it scary when the real beta is so bad. Taking on a challenge is great but when 11.04 comes around it has to be finished. If Ubuntu tries to do a KDE 4.0 people will just skip this release.

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RE[2]: Obvious alert...
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 4th Apr 2011 15:46 in reply to "RE: Obvious alert..."
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Yeah, they can't do an ubuntu version of KDE 4.0. KDE thought they could do what they did because they understand that their releases aren't real releases. Distributions take their releases and test/tweak them a bit before it gets to most users. And as history sorta points out, KDE really didn't get away with that.

But, if Ubuntu is going to do Unity correctly, I think they may have to decouple its releases from Ubuntu's. This would allow them to get feedback and get testing on it even before a beta version of ubuntu.

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RE: Obvious alert...
by ebasconp on Mon 4th Apr 2011 16:01 in reply to "Obvious alert..."
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I totally agree with you...

As Joel Spolsky used to say: "Good software, like wine... takes time"... KDE 4 suffered the same problem when it was released; but an early release is also needed to show the new functionality, to receive a lot of feedback and improvement requests and to let the developers having something to code for while the new technology is being built.

Every "1.0" has a lot of bugs and weaknesses; but everything can be fixed and improved.

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RE: Obvious alert...
by earksiinni on Mon 4th Apr 2011 21:15 in reply to "Obvious alert..."
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

Agreed, and to add to that,

If that sounds familiar it might be because the same thing happened to KDE users in the move from KDE 3.x to 4.0. Sadly, rather than learn from the KDE 4 backlash, Canonical has decided to soldier on into the Unity future, whether it's ready or not. Spoiler alert: it's not.


it should be noted that I think most people eventually came around to respect KDE for taking the hard path; actually, perhaps for inventing it. KDE 4 wasn't ready for prime time, and I recall devs justifying it by essentially saying that it would accelerate bug squashing, which was--let us be honest--unfair to most end users. Yet they won public opinion in the end, not because theirs was The Right Way, but rather because it got cast as a noble thing to do (and, of course, because it was backed by genuine and extensive backend improvements). AFAICS, Ubuntu is following the same playbook.

So, the real question is not "can Ubuntu pull this off" nor "why is Ubuntu doing this", but rather "if the Unity roll out doesn't go down like KDE 4, why?"

Disclaimer for people who don't get it: KDE 4 is great and I think that releasing it early was "noble" ;)

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