Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 4th Apr 2011 22:59 UTC
Windows And yes, the stream of controlled Windows 8 leaks continues. This time around, Thurrot and Rivera have published a number of screenshots from Windows 8's brand-new tablet user interface, and surprise surprise, its built on Metro, the same design language that underpins Windows Phone 7. Windows 8 will also include its own PDF reader, Modern Reader, which also happens to be the first application packaged in Microsoft's new AppX format. Update: Long Zheng has some technical details on AppX, including this little tidbit: "The extensive list of properties signifies the comprehensive scope of this system to be the ideal deployment strategy for 'applications', in all essence of the word. In fact, the AppX format is universal enough so it appears to work for everything from native Win32 applications to framework-based applications and even *gasp* web applications. Games are also supported."
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RE[3]: Comment by Stratoukos
by lemur2 on Tue 5th Apr 2011 02:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Stratoukos"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

"The greater concern with Microsoft, though, would be proprietary extensions.
Isn't it more likely that the opposite will happen; i.e. that Adobe will add non-standard extensions to PDF to push the other readers out of the market? "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format
Portable Document Format (PDF) is an open standard for document exchange. The file format created by Adobe Systems in 1993 is used for representing documents in a manner independent of the application software, hardware, and operating system.

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Originally a proprietary format, PDF was officially released as an open standard on July 1, 2008, and published by the International Organization for Standardization as ISO 32000-1:2008. The ISO 32000-1 allows use of some specifications, which are not standardized (e.g. Adobe XML Forms Architecture). ISO 32000-1 does not specify methods for validating the conformance of PDF files or readers.


Although it is an open standard (i.e. royalty-free, anyone may implement), it does unfortunately allow for non-standard extensions.

I could be wrong here, but I assume that Adobe Acrobat is still the main tool for publishing PDFs, and if that's the case then Adobe has a much bigger opportunity than Microsoft to push proprietary extensions.


OpenOffice and LibreOffice both have good file format compatibility with MS Office, they both have a very good interoperable native file format (ODF), and they both have "export to PDF" functionality right there on the main toolbar.

LibreOffice (at least) also has a "PDF import" extension.
http://www.libreoffice.org/features/extensions/
"PDF Import: the PDF Import extension allows you to import and modify PDF documents. Results with 100% layout accuracy can be achieved with the "PDF/ODF hybrid file" format, which this extension also provides. A hybrid PDF/ODF file is a PDF file that contains an embedded ODF source file. Hybrid PDF/ODF files will be opened in LibreOffice as an ODF file without any layout changes."

Most Linux desktop operating system distributions ship with a "print to PDF file" pseudo-printer installed.

Edited 2011-04-05 02:28 UTC

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j.dalrymple Member since:
2011-03-29

OpenOffice and LibreOffice both have good file format compatibility with MS Office, they both have a very good interoperable native file format (ODF), and they both have "export to PDF" functionality right there on the main toolbar.

LibreOffice (at least) also has a "PDF import" extension.
http://www.libreoffice.org/features/extensions/
"PDF Import: the PDF Import extension allows you to import and modify PDF documents. Results with 100% layout accuracy can be achieved with the "PDF/ODF hybrid file" format, which this extension also provides. A hybrid PDF/ODF file is a PDF file that contains an embedded ODF source file. Hybrid PDF/ODF files will be opened in LibreOffice as an ODF file without any layout changes."

Most Linux desktop operating system distributions ship with a "print to PDF file" pseudo-printer installed.


How widespread are those, though? I was under the impression that Acrobat was still the industry standard, especially if you want to use the more advanced features of PDF.

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RE[5]: Comment by Stratoukos
by lemur2 on Tue 5th Apr 2011 04:18 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Stratoukos"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

How widespread are those, though? I was under the impression that Acrobat was still the industry standard, especially if you want to use the more advanced features of PDF.


OpenOffice/LibreOffice has an installed base between 10% and 21%, depending on which country.

Since using it means that one has a very full-featured, work-alike free Office Suite program with better interoperability than MS Office, and which doubles as a PDF generation and edit facility as a bonus, then it is very surprising that this number is not much higher.

The features that are supported are listed here:
http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Export_as_PDF

This is probably not everything that can be done using Adobe software, but it does seem to cover a lot of bases and should be perfectly adequate for most people and use cases.

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LaTeX
by boldingd on Tue 5th Apr 2011 05:12 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Stratoukos"
boldingd Member since:
2009-02-19

Also worth mentioning is LaTeX; it's pretty common in academic circles. I'd wager that most published articles you see in the sciences are typeset with LaTeX. The last place I worked kept extensive documentation as a massive set of PDF's and LaTeX source files.

OS X also has a built-in PDF printer, and at least one high-quality open-source PDF virtual printer is available for Windows. (And they are incredibly handy little tools, once you discover them!)

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