Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 4th Apr 2011 22:59 UTC
Windows And yes, the stream of controlled Windows 8 leaks continues. This time around, Thurrot and Rivera have published a number of screenshots from Windows 8's brand-new tablet user interface, and surprise surprise, its built on Metro, the same design language that underpins Windows Phone 7. Windows 8 will also include its own PDF reader, Modern Reader, which also happens to be the first application packaged in Microsoft's new AppX format. Update: Long Zheng has some technical details on AppX, including this little tidbit: "The extensive list of properties signifies the comprehensive scope of this system to be the ideal deployment strategy for 'applications', in all essence of the word. In fact, the AppX format is universal enough so it appears to work for everything from native Win32 applications to framework-based applications and even *gasp* web applications. Games are also supported."
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RE[6]: PDF reader ?
by phoenix on Tue 5th Apr 2011 02:49 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: PDF reader ?"
phoenix
Member since:
2005-07-11

The worst PDF I've ever come across is an information update request form for the provincial ministry of education. It's a PDF, with a bunch of Forms fields you edit. Then you click a button to submit the PDF ... which runs a bunch of script to create ... a PDF, that is attached to an e-mail, and sent via MAPI (which means it won't work on non-Windows systems, or even Windows systems without MS Office installed).

And it's just a handful of text fields!!

This is the "new and improved, network-enabled" version of this form. Previously, you had to call the ministry, they'd fax you a form, you fill it out, and fax it back.

It's things like this that just scream to be made into a web-based form, with a database behind it.

It's things like this that give PDF a bad name. ;)

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RE[7]: PDF reader ?
by Spiron on Tue 5th Apr 2011 03:51 in reply to "RE[6]: PDF reader ?"
Spiron Member since:
2011-03-08

Its also not the fault of the PDF format. PDF is one of the best document formats in the world and you shouldn't blame it because your ministry is forcing you to use Office and Windows. Don't blame the format just because someone used it wrong.

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RE[8]: PDF reader ?
by Lennie on Tue 5th Apr 2011 09:01 in reply to "RE[7]: PDF reader ?"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

It might be a very useful format to many people.

But it would only be a kind of good format if someone made a specification with a small sane subset which is not completely backwardcompatible.

Have a look at the video, the format it self a horrible mess.

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RE[8]: PDF reader ?
by phoenix on Tue 5th Apr 2011 16:41 in reply to "RE[7]: PDF reader ?"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

I most certainly can blame the format for someone using it wrong. Why are those interactive elements allowed in a PDF? Why are they needed? Is there a legitimate use-case for enabling scripting inside a document that no one can edit? Is there a legitimate use-case for having a read-only document access system libraries to send an e-mail?

PDF used to be a great document format. Then it became an interactive programming language. And now it's just a security and usability nightmare.

Oh, and we don't use MS Office or Windows on 95% of the desktops in our district (we're a diskless Linux shop, from student stations, to teacher stations, to office stations).

Which is why this particular PDF document is such a pain, as there's no MAPI on Linux, and KPDF (an infinitely better PDF Viewer than Adobe crap) chokes on this PDF.

If PDF had remained a simple document format, things would be wonderful. Even the addition of editable forms fields was okay and useful. But all the scripting, hooks into the OS, and what-not goes counter to that.

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