Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Apr 2011 17:50 UTC, submitted by Cytor
Gnome The day is finally here, the day that the GNOME team releases GNOME 3.0, the first major revision of the GNOME project since 2002. Little of GNOME 2.x is left in GNOME 3.0, and as such, you could call it GNOME's KDE4. We're living in fortunate times, what, with two wildly divergent open source desktops.
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by cypress on Wed 6th Apr 2011 17:58 UTC
cypress
Member since:
2005-07-11

I hate what they did to my GNOME... In a world here user interfaces are standard (close buttons, taskbar, start menu), GNOME 3 will fail harder than KDE 4 did...

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by Anonymous Penguin on Wed 6th Apr 2011 18:52 in reply to "Sigh..."
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

I hate what they did to my GNOME... In a world here user interfaces are standard (close buttons, taskbar, start menu), GNOME 3 will fail harder than KDE 4 did...


I abandoned KDE forever since KDE 4 and I moved to GNOME... And now? Shall I have to abandon GNOME as well?
And then? Move to XFCE4 or forget Linux altogether?
My only regret is that my core i7 laptop PC was 999 Euro, whilst a core i7 MacBook Pro is 2499 Euro.

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by danieldk on Wed 6th Apr 2011 19:08 in reply to "RE: Sigh..."
danieldk Member since:
2005-11-18

Indeed. I switched mostly to OS X full time, but I still loved GNOME on a Linux machine that I use occasionally. The nicest thing about GNOME was that progress was evolutionary, rather than revolutionary. That day has now gone by. You can completely overhaul a user interface, but do it over the course of a few years.

At the very least OS X and Windows don't force a completely new UI down everyone's throats in a whim.

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by toblerone on Wed 6th Apr 2011 20:19 in reply to "RE: Sigh..."
toblerone Member since:
2008-12-11

There is a group of enthusiastic OS afficianados in Redmond. They have a promising little OS called Windows 7, gets updated regularily and starts to look promising, show them your support. Their website is www.microsoft.com, might be out of date though - so perhaps just google them ...

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by marcus0263 on Wed 6th Apr 2011 20:22 in reply to "RE: Sigh..."
marcus0263 Member since:
2007-06-02

You don't have to use Gnome Shell, IMO it's going to be as successful as "New Coke". Anyway with Gnome Shell and Ubuntu also going with that crap "Unity" is many reason why to use Linux Mint. They have no plans on moving to either Gnome Shell or that crap interface Unity.

Give it a shot

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by Lennie on Wed 6th Apr 2011 20:33 in reply to "RE: Sigh..."
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

XFCE4 is now pretty high on my list, almost at the top.

I just did a little experiment and an XFCE4 install can look mostly like GNOME in about 20 minutes of tweaking.

I might go back to Debian on the desktop, in that case with XFCE4 if I don't like what GNOME or Ubuntu come up with.

And Thunar is much faster than Nautilus anyway. :-)

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by v_bobok on Wed 6th Apr 2011 22:01 in reply to "RE: Sigh..."
v_bobok Member since:
2008-08-01

Delicious hackintosh. On i7 it might even work... kinda.

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by lemur2 on Wed 6th Apr 2011 22:57 in reply to "RE: Sigh..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"I hate what they did to my GNOME... In a world here user interfaces are standard (close buttons, taskbar, start menu), GNOME 3 will fail harder than KDE 4 did...
I abandoned KDE forever since KDE 4 and I moved to GNOME... And now? Shall I have to abandon GNOME as well? And then? Move to XFCE4 or forget Linux altogether? My only regret is that my core i7 laptop PC was 999 Euro, whilst a core i7 MacBook Pro is 2499 Euro. "

You could try a move back to KDE. KDE 4.6 is the best current desktop system out there, bar none. The one and only problem was KDE 4.0 wasn't ready for ordinary users, the developers said so, but distributions shipped it anyway. KDE has recovered from that fiasco ages ago now.

Such a shame if you won't even give the best desktop system available to you right now a try. Your loss, though.

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by kaiwai on Thu 7th Apr 2011 04:26 in reply to "RE: Sigh..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I abandoned KDE forever since KDE 4 and I moved to GNOME... And now? Shall I have to abandon GNOME as well?
And then? Move to XFCE4 or forget Linux altogether?
My only regret is that my core i7 laptop PC was 999 Euro, whilst a core i7 MacBook Pro is 2499 Euro.


The one thing that always confused me with the open source world is that they'll strike a perfect idea and then completely f--k it within a few releases. GNOME 2.x in my books is a great desktop and if GNOME 3.x was merely some refactoring underneath components with GTK+/GLIB/ATK given an overhauling, speed improvements, refinement in the interface for better consistency and improving the individual applications that make up GNOME it would be a strong 3.x upgrade. What have we got with GNOME 3.x? it as though those who were designing simply decided to be different for the sake of being different - "its a big number revision we better do something that shows things have really changed!".

Mac OS X and Windows haven't stagnated, the developers at said companies have realised they're onto a good thing and now in the process of refining and smoothing out the rough edges - why couldn't GNOME developers do the same thing? GNOME is already a good desktop, why was the time wasted in re-inventing the wheel when it could have been better spent on improving the bundled applications for starters.

As for the MacBook Pro - I learned long ago you purchase what works for you and if it means you pay a few extra dollars for something that allows you to keep your sanity then so be it. Btw, price for price comparisons are meaningless - if you were in New Zealand I'd take you down to Dick Smiths and show you the obvious problem with saying, "but the MacBook Pro is more expensive!" without actually having a look at the device and using it. Going off on a tangent, two things that come to mind for example are battery life and build quality - how many of these i7's are chocked full of desktop components with a giant screen which are little more than 'desktop replacements' rather than being actual laptops - when I purchase a laptop I want to use it for 5+ hours on battery rather than being told that I should be satisfied with a 2-3 hour battery life. The build quality is also important - go through the local big box store and check out the amount of cheap plastic garbage being sold and a tonne of bling clipped on to give the appearance that it less cheap looking than it really is.

Edited 2011-04-07 04:35 UTC

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by fran on Wed 6th Apr 2011 19:12 in reply to "Sigh..."
fran Member since:
2010-08-06

Initially getting used to a new interface will be hard.
After getting used it I think the majority will love it and see its benefits.

Digressing a bit, but I want to use an example of a recent experience I had.

Few weeks back I worked on an Apple for the first time.
This is at client that uses a combination of Apple and Windows computers. (Apple's for the managers and Windows for the staff)
He needed to run a new program that requires pararels in order to run it.
He decided against it and use one of the other Windows computers for this specific task. (In a previous conversation I recalled him saying that Macs are easier to use.) This necessitated me to train him on how to work on a windows computer effectively.

While I trained him I managed to change his view on Windows being hard to use in about 15 minutes.
I showed him how to use Windows explorer, get to the control panel and see the options and most importantly to him how to add shortcuts to frequently used folders on his desktop and/or pin this to taskbar for quick access.
I still however am having problems convincing him to switch the Firebird email since they used Live mail in which you can’t create subfolders (Which they really need)

What I'm getting at..Take 30 minutes learn the new interface. This will only leave repetition to drill in the new way of working.

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by sdeber on Wed 6th Apr 2011 19:47 in reply to "RE: Sigh..."
sdeber Member since:
2005-07-06

It is not the matter of getting used to a new way of doing things. Gnome-shell has something physically missing. Say when you have a lot of windows open, how would you navigate among them? Either use alt-tab or go to Activities first. Either way involves extra steps.
What sucks more is that the global picture of opened windows will not present itself unless you do extra clicking. Why does it bug me? because I want to check the windows list with my eyes ONLY, not my eyes and my hands together.

Edited 2011-04-06 20:00 UTC

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by SlackerJack on Wed 6th Apr 2011 20:16 in reply to "Sigh..."
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

GNOME 3 is in no way like the KDE4.0 release was. For one, GNOME 3 has printing, bluetooth, network manager and other needs stuff on it's release.

People seem to have it in their head that every new Linux DE release will fail and people will not like it. This is a mind set problem by users and doesn't do Linux any good at all when trying to innovate the desktop.

Well done to the GNOME team for an excellent release. I am very happy with it and it's very usable.

Edited 2011-04-06 20:29 UTC

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by sramkrishna on Wed 6th Apr 2011 23:30 in reply to "RE: Sigh..."
sramkrishna Member since:
2007-06-25

Read the GNOME Journal article on the design. I think you'll find it very interesting (http://www.gnomejournal.org/)

But GNOME 3 is the first unixy desktop that actually subsumes printing, network, bluetooth, services all under one consistent interface.

Which of course, you can also all access using extensions.

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