Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Apr 2011 17:50 UTC, submitted by Cytor
Gnome The day is finally here, the day that the GNOME team releases GNOME 3.0, the first major revision of the GNOME project since 2002. Little of GNOME 2.x is left in GNOME 3.0, and as such, you could call it GNOME's KDE4. We're living in fortunate times, what, with two wildly divergent open source desktops.
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RE[4]: Sigh...
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 6th Apr 2011 22:42 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Sigh..."
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

I believe that's exactly the point of this interface design. Focus on a single task or few tasks. Minimize clutter and visual distraction.

...and make it more difficult to efficiently use multitasking.

Yeah, great idea during a time when processors fly and computers have tons of memory available for just about anything its user might want to do, and then sone. Problem is, GNOME is about 15-25 years too late. This kind of thing would have been *great* ages ago...

Hardware takes us several steps forward and continues to improve... while GNOME tries to take us decades back in functionality.

Sounds like something Microsoft or Apple would do... but they have a reason: Microsoft can sell a more functional, more expensive license to those who want more features and power (ie. Starter -> Home Premium or Professional), while Apple is trying to sell shiny white overpriced hardware to computer-illiterate users and going for the lowest common denominator is the way to do it.

GNOME... I'm not sure what they're trying to prove, given that they're throwing away just about everything when it comes to modern UI design. They sure can't be trying to steal Mac OS X users through ease of use and familiarity as they were often accused of in the past, since GNOME 3 doesn't act anything like Mac OS X (let alone anything else).

That said, I am interested to try Gnome Shell again (tried it before very briefly, wasn't too impressed then) and see it evolve. Hopefully it pulls a KDE4 and steadily improves while diminishing all of its shortcomings... but if Gnome 2 was any indication, it's more likely to diminish more functionality.

Yeah, I'm prepared to be modded straight down to hell for this. Fire away.

Edited 2011-04-06 22:57 UTC

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RE[5]: Sigh...
by Mystilleef on Wed 6th Apr 2011 22:59 in reply to "RE[4]: Sigh..."
Mystilleef Member since:
2005-06-29

Unfortunately, the reality is that humans aren't good at multitasking. Actually, we're terrible at it. Thus it's prudent to design interfaces and workflows with a single-tasking bent as opposed to multitasking one. This is something GNOME Shell actually got right from a cognitive design perspective!

There are many studies that show that we are terrible at multitasking. Google is your friend. Here's a link to one of them.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95256794

Edited 2011-04-06 23:00 UTC

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RE[6]: Sigh...
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 6th Apr 2011 23:07 in reply to "RE[5]: Sigh..."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Despite what the studies might say, not *everyone* is utterly incapable of multitasking. Some people are actually more productive with it. Are those people supposed to stoop down to the majority's level? If so, why even buy computers with gigabytes of RAM? And tabbed browsing? Get rid of that too--can't have too many Web pages on your mind, now. Might as well go back to 512MB-1GB, tops, if we're going to throw effective multi-tasking out the window. It's a good thing GNOME has tons of competition.

Edited 2011-04-06 23:21 UTC

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by Sauron on Thu 7th Apr 2011 09:35 in reply to "RE[5]: Sigh..."
Sauron Member since:
2005-08-02

Unfortunately, the reality is that humans aren't good at multitasking. Actually, we're terrible at it. Thus it's prudent to design interfaces and workflows with a single-tasking bent as opposed to multitasking one. This is something GNOME Shell actually got right from a cognitive design perspective!

There are many studies that show that we are terrible at multitasking. Google is your friend. Here's a link to one of them.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95256794


Sorry but not everyone is bad at multitasking. I and many millions of others was multitasking just fine 20 years ago on the old Commodore Amiga. Now they want to make Gnome hard to multitask or even incapable of doing this? This is a couple of decades step backward at least! Thankfully we have KDE, XFCE and E17 to fall back on. Gnome is now unusable for me personaly, would even prefer using Workbench 1.2 off floppy disks again than Gnome in this state!

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RE[6]: Sigh...
by orestes on Thu 7th Apr 2011 12:48 in reply to "RE[5]: Sigh..."
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

That's a rather pretentious assumption for any designer to force on the userbase.

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by pepa on Thu 7th Apr 2011 15:57 in reply to "RE[5]: Sigh..."
pepa Member since:
2005-07-08

Exactly because we are so bad at multitasking, it will be helpful to have a list of things that you're working on available for viewing at all times. I have read that gnome-panel will keep being available in Gnome 3 (?) which provides exactly that.

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RE[5]: Sigh...
by kaiwai on Thu 7th Apr 2011 04:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Sigh..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Sounds like something Microsoft or Apple would do... but they have a reason: Microsoft can sell a more functional, more expensive license to those who want more features and power (ie. Starter -> Home Premium or Professional), while Apple is trying to sell shiny white overpriced hardware to computer-illiterate users and going for the lowest common denominator is the way to do it.


Wow, such blinding ignorance is mind boggling, and I've been on this website for just over 9 years (prior to the existing registration system that exists today). If you don't mind sunshine, us Mac users aren't all 'computer-illiterate users' who are simply attracted to 'shiny white overpriced hardware' (as your post implied) - some of us have IT backgrounds with many other users knowing how to use a computer and have indepth knowledge but no longer wish to play 'nurse' to their computer. Some of us are actually happy not to worry about our computers because some of us have other stuff in our lives to focus on rather than to be constantly nursing something that should take care of itself.

Btw, I have earned by Linux/*BSD/Solaris stripes and if you want to use those operating systems then all power to you but don't come on this forum all high and mighty thinking that pushes you up to the totem pole of prestige any more than other people who have been posting on this website since it first opened.

Edited 2011-04-07 04:47 UTC

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RE[6]: Sigh...
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 7th Apr 2011 06:08 in reply to "RE[5]: Sigh..."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Wow, such blinding ignorance is mind boggling, and I've been on this website for just over 9 years (prior to the existing registration system that exists today). If you don't mind sunshine, us Mac users aren't all 'computer-illiterate users' who are simply attracted to 'shiny white overpriced hardware' (as your post implied) - some of us have IT backgrounds with many other users knowing how to use a computer and have indepth knowledge but no longer wish to play 'nurse' to their computer. Some of us are actually happy not to worry about our computers because some of us have other stuff in our lives to focus on rather than to be constantly nursing something that should take care of itself.

I didn't say that *all* Mac users actually *are* computer-illiterate--I implied that those are the people Apple primarily markets to. Obviously there are exceptions (when aren't there?), and different types of people get Macs (Leo Laporte likes them, and he's certainly not computer-illiterate), but you can't deny that Apple tries its hardest to dumb things down and make a walled garden where things get done *their* way or not at all, all in an effort to make it as "user-friendly" as possible.

If I were to brew a craft beer and advertise it with rainbow-colored zebras, I'm sure some male beer connoisseurs would try it too, not just the women its advertising material (including logos) might be expected to attract. Just look at Delirium Tremens with its pink elephants (case in point: I need to try that one...).

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