Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Apr 2011 17:50 UTC, submitted by Cytor
Gnome The day is finally here, the day that the GNOME team releases GNOME 3.0, the first major revision of the GNOME project since 2002. Little of GNOME 2.x is left in GNOME 3.0, and as such, you could call it GNOME's KDE4. We're living in fortunate times, what, with two wildly divergent open source desktops.
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RE[13]: Sigh...
by Mystilleef on Thu 7th Apr 2011 08:44 UTC in reply to "RE[12]: Sigh..."
Mystilleef
Member since:
2005-06-29

Well all products "FORCE" you to do things the way the designer intended on many levels. Take, for example, a vehicle. Now as a user, I might envision that the best place to put a steering wheel is behind the passenger sit on the floor. Don't ask me why, "it's just my preference." :-) But I can't do that because the designers don't allow me to do that. Instead these dumb designers decide to put the steering on the dash. Or a more practical example, I might prefer a 10 shift gear manual transmission in my car, but instead the designers build a stupid less powerful 4 speed automatic one in the vehicle.

The "job" of a good designer is prevent you from making errors and gently coerce you to use their products in the right way, the way the designer intended. So, yes, the it's the designers job to "FORCE" you to do things their way because they've spent countless man hours figuring out how to do things the right, most effective, most efficient and safest way, all things being equal, that you probably haven't put much thought to despite your subjective personal preferences.

Perhaps users should try to understand the design before the criticize or resort to subjective emotional tantrums about having things done their own way.

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RE[14]: Sigh...
by sdeber on Thu 7th Apr 2011 09:17 in reply to "RE[13]: Sigh..."
sdeber Member since:
2005-07-06

Perhaps users should try to understand the design before the criticize or resort to subjective emotional tantrums about having things done their own way.

Finally you got it. This is all about emotional stuff. I agree that all products somehow FORCE something, but Gnome 3 is OVERDOING it. Why? How can I say something like that? Can I formally measure it? The answer is NO! I say that because they are overdoing it. Why do I think they are overdoing? Because they are overdoing it. Somehow I feel that they are poking their hands in my territory or making decisions for me.

Again, they can do everything they like in their products, even they change the windows into ellipses, I can still survive, but enforcing their ideology is not acceptable.

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RE[14]: Sigh...
by sdeber on Thu 7th Apr 2011 09:27 in reply to "RE[13]: Sigh..."
sdeber Member since:
2005-07-06

So, yes, the it's the designers job to "FORCE" you to do things their way because they've spent countless man hours figuring out how to do things the right, most effective, most efficient and safest way, all things being equal, that you probably haven't put much thought to despite your subjective personal preferences.


In fact, these designers usually spend countless hours in thinking about making things right, they usually take into account every single factor that could possibly affect the product, and there is another thing which they usually do - ignoring the users' opinions.

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RE[15]: Sigh...
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 7th Apr 2011 21:59 in reply to "RE[14]: Sigh..."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

In fact, these designers usually spend countless hours in thinking about making things right, they usually take into account every single factor that could possibly affect the product, and there is another thing which they usually do - ignoring the users' opinions.

Really? GNOME seems to spend more time on pointless arguments than they do discussing and thinking over new features and interface changes. Their ongoing arguments with Canonical make it big, while they remove features and functionality at the drop of a hat; barely any infighting or arguments whatsoever. Features are just pulled.

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