Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 10th Apr 2011 19:57 UTC, submitted by PLan
Legal Should I be sad or relieved? Groklaw, the website that played a central role in the SCO vs. sanity case, has just announced it will close up shop on May 16 of this year. Groklaw's place in history has been secured, surely, but in recent years, the site became more and more like a relic from the past, clearly stuck in the everyone vs. Microsoft mindset of the late '90s and early 2000s. Even in today's announcement post, Groklaw shows that its time has indeed come.
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FlorianMueller
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2010-10-07

With text analysis tools such as Gender Guesser, one can see that there's a mountain of statistic evidence that Groklaw's articles weren't written by just one "PJ" person but instead by different people, some of whom are identified by such tools as "definitely male" while other authors are identified as "definitely female".

It's one of the most massive absurdities ever that the open source community would accept Groklaw's non-openness. While everyone has a right to privacy, there must always be a reasonable balance between privacy and public activism. It's just like you wouldn't want a "PJ" avatar to run for Congress or for President.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

It's one of the most massive absurdities ever that the open source community would accept Groklaw's non-openness.


Why? Because liking open-source means absolutely everything must be open, including your personal details?

It's just like you wouldn't want a "PJ" avatar to run for Congress or for President.


Hardly. Groklaw is just a site for discussion about legal situations, it doesn't even try to have any other effect than provide more insight to them for interested parties. A congressman or a president doesn't provide any insight whatsoever, they don't educate people, and they try indeed to have much bigger effect on the society, for the good or the bad.

In fact, it is like wanting a group of people under 'PJ' name discussing legal things on a website. Oh, shoot, that's what they're doing already.

Edited 2011-04-11 06:51 UTC

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shotsman Member since:
2005-07-22

Gender Guesser?? WTF??

I write fiction in my spare time. One of the pseudonyms I use is female although I'm a man.
I ran a few of my short stories through it last year.
Guess what... The Stuff I wrote under my male name came out as 'Male' whereas the stories I wrote using my female pseduonym were "Weak Female"

All of us have both male and female traits. Mood also has a bearing upon the writing style used.

So FM, please go to jail and do not pass go to collect whatever you are being paid to slag PJ off all over the internet.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Gender Guesser?? WTF??

I write fiction in my spare time. One of the pseudonyms I use is female although I'm a man.
I ran a few of my short stories through it last year.
Guess what... The Stuff I wrote under my male name came out as 'Male' whereas the stories I wrote using my female pseduonym were "Weak Female"


I just tried two different gender guessers myself out of curiosity. One of them claims I'm female, while the other one claims I'm male. My breasts disagree with the latter.

That said using a gender guesser tool to try to guess someone's gender is really ignorant, if not even downright stupid. Especially if you're using that guessed gender as an argument somewhere in trying to prove their discredibility!

Basically, the more formal and the less imaginative the wording is the harder it becomes to try to guess someone's gender, and then again the opposite is also quite true: if you are very creative and have a really large vocabulary you're also equally difficult to classify properly. Well, Groklaw clearly matches the first case.

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anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

All of us have both male and female traits.


It is actually more likely that there are no such things as male or female traits, but rather us/society putting gender labels on things we'd like to encourage for one gender and probably also discourage for others.

I.e. labelling something as female results in being less desirable to persue for men and vice versa.

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earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

Virginia Woolf wrote that great writers need to be androgynous.

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PRaabjerg Member since:
2006-09-23

Er, ffwhat?
First of all, I have to wonder if you took into account that major parts of many articles on Groklaw are simply transcribed legal documents?
But no, I wouldn't really care even if you were right that PJ is not a single person. The work done there was very real.
And non-open? Are we even talking about the same site? At the base of it, Groklaw is mainly a bunch of transcribed legal documents with the occasional commentary from someone who does her research, and seems to know quite a lot about how the US legal system works.
What does openness really mean in that context.
Anyone and their dog could comment on the articles, I might add.
And the transcriptions were very much a community work. I may have even helped getting a few of the necessary informal procedures into place for distributing the work back in the starting days. Not sure exactly how they work today, but I would imagine it's still distributed community-work.
Any power PJ may have had, came from the respect she gained by starting, organizing and running the entire thing. And from the many insightful comments she could offer on the documents.
Come back out of the woodwork when we actually _have_ an avatar that's trying to run for a political position of power. You're right, I wouldn't accept that. But PJ wasn't a politician. She (or it?) didn't wield any power of office.

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