Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Apr 2011 21:27 UTC
Features, Office Over the weekend, Oracle basically announced its defeat in the competition with the community-created fork of OpenOffice, LibreOffice. Oracle will cease all commercial development of OpenOffice, and will turn it into a purely community-based project.
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nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

More like a disservice.

I don't trust it for compatibility with Office formats and the politics behind those formats are irrelevant when making a recommendation.

The individual that you save $100 today might one day use OpenOffice to send in a resume that looks garbled to the employer.

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

The individual that you save $100 today might one day use OpenOffice to send in a resume that looks garbled to the employer.


People still send resumes as .doc? I thought most saved them as PDF these days.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Some vote of confidence that is. Just don't send your resume as a doc file!

I can't even personally recommended Foxit anymore because I have seen what the 1% cases look like. Yes it is fine 99% of the time but the 1% can really ruin someone's day.

Maybe we need more neutral formats but that is irrelevant to what I will personally endorse.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Most people in my country do.

I actually send mine as RTF which is associated with Word and works with most office formats.

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abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

"The individual that you save $100 today might one day use OpenOffice to send in a resume that looks garbled to the employer.


People still send resumes as .doc? I thought most saved them as PDF these days.
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Good luck with that. For two years before I was hired at my current job back in September I was sending out PDF resumes and the most common response I got back was "Can you send it to me in word?". Somehow people prefer to use an expensive, proprietary piece of software just to read a brain dead proprietary format instead of reading an open format with various FREE readers. I just don't get it but it's true.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

People still send resumes as .doc? I thought most saved them as PDF these days.

This is actually a sore point for me.

I've been recently hunting for a new IT job in the UK. Every single (bar one) agency and prospective employer has asked me to convert my PDF CV to a MS Word DOC format.

In fact some job sites only offer .DOC, .RTF and .TXT extensions for attaching / uploading a CV. I mean, who in their right mind thinks a raw ASCII text file is better than a PDF which -as the name explicitly states- is designed to be a standard way for sending formatted portable documents.

To say I was irritated by this idiotic request from IT recruiters and job sites would be putting it mildly.

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

If you don't send as .doc I can tell you that most places will round file your resume since the HR pre screening software usually doesn't work on PDF. Oh and I have personally seen a student lose a full 20 points on a paper (dropping them from a B to an F) for using Open Office which turned their paper into word salad on the teacher's Office 2K3.

Whether you like it or not there is a reason why most stick with MS Office, and that is compatibility. I'm sure the FOSS guys will make some claim about Office 2K docs getting mangled in 2K10 (although frankly I have NEVER seen this, and I've dealt with multiMb docs with tons of formatting) but compared to the word salad that OO.o can spit out it really is like night and day.

In the end it is Linux all over. if you have time to learn it AND fiddle with it AND deal with its quirks AND don't need to worry about getting round filed or dinged by incompatibility? The OO.o is for you. I personally give it out to home users since little Billy doing a book report is gonna print it anyway. but in business? Good way to make sure you don't get called for that job, or get that contract signed, etc. Having your doc come out as word salad is the surest way to look Mickey Mouse in business, and appearances matter.

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Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

In my experience, in the UK at least, many companies put out their job application forms in .doc format. These are generally pretty complex documents, with embedded images and text boxes/tables to split up the questions. I've yet to see one that opens correctly in OpenOffice; they're often so mangled after conversion that text is lost completely, and all look unprofessional with messed up formatting.

It's a problem when submitting any OpenOffice document to someone using MS Office. You don't know how the OpenOffice document will turn out when they open it, you can't be there to reformat it and fix the glitches yourself, and they’ll assume that it's you who messed it up.

This is the reason why most of the charities I deal with buy MS Office rather than using free software. They regularly communicate with the government and other organisations using MS Office, and those communications can be very important and time sensitive. It isn't worth losing out on tens of thousands of pounds in funding because an important application created in OpenOffice was reduced to gibberish.

For the price of MS Office, using OpenOffice often just isn't worth the hassle.

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DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

[qPeople still send resumes as .doc? I thought most saved them as PDF these days. [/q]

Sadly .doc still has to be used. A good majority of employers, even in the IT industry, demand the resume in .doc format. If sent in as a pdf, it will be ignored since they specifically require .doc.

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SamuraiCrow Member since:
2005-11-19

Not only do I send PDF files as my resume's, I have been able to print out Word documents in DOCX format on a Windows machine without Microsoft Office installed on it. Microsoft supplies a Word Viewer program for free that can be upgraded to support all Word formats. It, like PowerPoint Viewer, is sufficient for my office needs in conjunction with LibreOffice and OO.o.

I only wish more Microsoft Office users would download the free plugin to load and save ISO standard OpenDocument file formats instead of the only partially disclosed OOXML file formats. One thing that always has gotten my goat about Microsoft is the way they scuttle industry standards with proprietary products that deliver only equivalent results. OpenGL and DirectX suffer the same problem. I'm happy with both my Mac and Linux machines and hope I never need to shell out the big bucks for either Microsoft Office or Windows ever again.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

You're not telling me anything new and you probably assume I like MS Office as much as you like OpenOffice.

In reality I don't like any modern office suite. They all annoy me.

The issue is that I couldn't recommended OpenOffice to a student knowing full well he might one day run into the 1% problem, regardless of whether I tell him to send resumes in PDF and also follow instructions x y and z. People can be told instructions and then later ignore them.

Promoting alternatives on the internet is fine and good but I'm not going to put my name on them in real life. I've done that before and got burned. OpenOffice does not guarantee 100% compatibility with DOC or DOCX. I came across a OO forum before where an OpenOffice user was told by an admin to buy MS Office after his paper was scrambled. You want to do personal advocacy, that's fine. I'm just explaining my position which is based on real world experience.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I only wish more Microsoft Office users would download the free plugin to load and save ISO standard OpenDocument file formats instead of the only partially disclosed OOXML file formats. One thing that always has gotten my goat about Microsoft is the way they scuttle industry standards with proprietary products that deliver only equivalent results. OpenGL and DirectX suffer the same problem. I'm happy with both my Mac and Linux machines and hope I never need to shell out the big bucks for either Microsoft Office or Windows ever again.


It is a de jure standard ... which in the real world doesn't mean a lot. De facto standards are the ones that count.

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Mage66 Member since:
2005-07-11

The individual that you save $100 today might one day use OpenOffice to send in a resume that looks garbled to the employer.


I use a universal format... It's called printing it on a piece of paper. I rarely have problems with that.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Save $100 with this office software. Just don't use it to send any important doc or docx files. Some doc or docx files you receive might not be processed correctly. It will work 99% of the time though.

Sorry but that is not something I am going to personally endorse. People hold onto Office for at least 3 years which breaks down to $33 a year for 100% compatibility with the most common formats and a nicer interface.

I put people on Chrome since it can be trusted as an alternative to IE but OO can not be trusted with MS Office compatibility.

I regularly test open source alternatives, you're wasting your time trying to give me helpful tips on switching. I always have OO and MS Office installed. I try the major Linux distros every year.

What OO needs is funding, not personal advocacy. A 20 million investment into OO would really shake things up.

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