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Member since:2005-07-14
If I can concede that "pure HTML" is safe, what's the point in it?
You said HTML is unsafe. I claim otherwise. Nothing more and nothing less.
You cannot develop application with such combination and you cannot develop an application with HTML+CSS+AJAX only because you need server components.
Yes. For an application, you need server components, but you can use various server components to generate the same HTML+CSS+AJAX code. Also, you could use various server components to communicate with the same Flash application. No reason to drag server components into this discussion.
I'm just saying that Flash (or a similar technology) is *better* and more secure)
Care to support this opinion with some facts? You are, of course entitled to your opinion. I'm not on a mission to change it. I'm just honestly curious about why someone considers Flash a better thing than HTML+CSS.
Member since:2005-07-06
You said HTML is unsafe. I claim otherwise. Nothing more and nothing less.
I meant: since *pure* HTML is not meant to develop "applications" (I guess we agree on the definition of a web application... don't we?) referring to such *pure* version doesn't fit in that context. Sure, a car which cannot move won't crash but I would hardly use such argument to state that cars are 100% safe ;-)
Yes. For an application, you need server components, but you can use various server components to generate the same HTML+CSS+AJAX code. Also, you could use various server components to communicate with the same Flash application. No reason to drag server components into this discussion
Again: our discussion was about applications, not markup in general. HTML+CSS+AJAX cannot do anything interesting (well, a calculator maybe ;-) without server support. The environment Flash gives you is just safer and more controllable than matching HTML environment. If you ever tried to develop a Flash app, you should easily know what I mean.
Care to support this opinion with some facts? You are, of course entitled to your opinion. I'm not on a mission to change it. I'm just honestly curious about why someone considers Flash a better thing than HTML+CSS.
If we're talking about HTML+CSS only, it's just more secure and controllable. If we're talking about HTML+CSS+AJAX,in random order:
* richer environment
* more controllable environment
* easier debug
* a consistent behaviour
...
AJAX looks just what it is: a complex hack to overcome HTML limitations. Sure, you can use it and Google proves that you can develop very good applications using it. That doesn't mean AJAX is still just an complex hack which is ages less comfortable than a consistent environment like Flash.
Now, if you'd tell me "Search engines don't index Flash contents", well, that would be a good point...
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2005-07-06
What is unsafe about HTML? Pure HTML is rather safe. Or am I missing something?
How many websites you visit every are just *pure HTML*. I can't remember an HTML-only website... ok, I can remember one but just that one. If I can concede that "pure HTML" is safe, what's the point in it?
Which of today's (or even future) web applications _require_ Flash? Site with articles? Not. Shopping site? Not. Blog? Not. Webmail? Not.
No applications *require* Flash. Just *any* Web application would be richer, safer and better if Flash was used. However, let's not get the focus over Flash. While I like it, I really don't care if it will be Flash or XAML+ASP.NET or Java WebStart: the only thing I care is to have something better than HTML. Which is rather poor.
Which of them cannot be done by HTML+CSS or HTML+CSS+AJAX?
HTML+CSS means nothing. You cannot develop application with such combination and you cannot develop an application with HTML+CSS+AJAX only because you need server components. However, as I said, I'm not stating that there are things which *cannot* be done (well, infacts there are many, but right now let's pretend there aren't), I'm just saying that Flash (or a similar technology) is *better* and more secure)
You have not pointed out anything. I'm not bashing, I'm merely commenting that your comment included very little facts.
I'm not in the mood for silly flaming. ;-) I'm not your enemy but you're probably one of those kids which cannot discuss without considering other one an enemy. Friend, it's just web developing! Choose what you want and take it easy ;-)
(but HTML is dead... lol)