Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Apr 2011 09:20 UTC
Google The revolution has begun! Web video will be freed from the shackles of the MPEG-LA and the dreaded claws of patents and incomprehensible licenses! Sorry, I got a little carried away there. Anywho, YouTube has announced all new videos uploaded to the site will be transcoded into WebM, and that the most important part of the site's catalogue is already available in WebM.
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What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by Spiron on Wed 20th Apr 2011 09:26 UTC
Spiron
Member since:
2011-03-08

What they should do is delete all the H.264 copies of the video's encoded and then put up a page explaining that IE/Safari/iOS doesn't support WebM and to switch over to a WebM compliant browser such as Chrome, FireFox or Opera. Thus when people find that youtube doesn't work in IE anymore and go looking for an answer they come across the prepared page and upgrade to a better and more compliant browser. This will also force those browsers to include support thus making them better for the general public.

Edited 2011-04-20 09:27 UTC

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RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by dvhh on Wed 20th Apr 2011 09:56 in reply to "What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
dvhh Member since:
2006-03-20

Expected reaction:
IE user blame IE on not supporting youtube, microsoft point again finger in monopoly suit.
Safari user blame google for not supporting safari, Apple fans point finger at google for monopoly suit.

Result:

Not happening anytime soon

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RE[2]: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by _txf_ on Wed 20th Apr 2011 10:00 in reply to "RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Expected reaction:
IE user blame IE on not supporting youtube, microsoft point again finger in monopoly suit.
Safari user blame google for not supporting safari, Apple fans point finger at google for monopoly suit.

Result:

Not happening anytime soon


they can hardly point fingers when the format is freely available... it would be a different story if they couldn't interoperate with youtube

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RE[2]: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by ichi on Wed 20th Apr 2011 10:15 in reply to "RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

Enforcing a bug ridden proprietary plugin with a royalty and patent plagued codec from the MPEG-LA trolls: fine.
Enforcing an open and royalty free codec through HTML5: monopoly suit?

Madness, I tell you.

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RE[2]: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by kaiwai on Wed 20th Apr 2011 12:33 in reply to "RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Expected reaction:
IE user blame IE on not supporting youtube, microsoft point again finger in monopoly suit.
Safari user blame google for not supporting safari, Apple fans point finger at google for monopoly suit.

Result:

Not happening anytime soon


They could do it fairly soon given that Adobe has committed themselves to providing WebM support in Flash which means even if the end user doesn't have a browser that supports WebM they can still watch it using the Flash player.

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RE[2]: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by dvhh on Wed 20th Apr 2011 13:23 in reply to "RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
dvhh Member since:
2006-03-20

The average youtube user (considering the top viewed video) unfortunately don't care wether a codec is free or not.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

That's crazy internet armchair quarterback analysis.

What would really happen:


IE users don't view youtube, google loses advertising money.
Safari don't view youtube, google loses advertising money.
Users of older firefox browsers don't view youtube, google loses advertising money.


Google won't do that because it will cost Google money.

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RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by unclefester on Wed 20th Apr 2011 10:18 in reply to "What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

They will sooner or later stop encoding new videos into H.264 forcing the switch.

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RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by lemur2 on Wed 20th Apr 2011 10:25 in reply to "What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

What they should do is delete all the H.264 copies of the video's encoded and then put up a page explaining that IE/Safari/iOS doesn't support WebM and to switch over to a WebM compliant browser such as Chrome, FireFox or Opera. Thus when people find that youtube doesn't work in IE anymore and go looking for an answer they come across the prepared page and upgrade to a better and more compliant browser. This will also force those browsers to include support thus making them better for the general public.


IE9 users won't have a problem:

http://tools.google.com/dlpage/webmmf

It won't be long before Google releases this Media Foundation codec for Windows 7 and Vista, and also they are working on a similar installable codec for OSX, so Safari on Macs also won't have a problem.

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RE[2]: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by Spiron on Wed 20th Apr 2011 11:10 in reply to "RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
Spiron Member since:
2011-03-08

IE9 is a half-way decent browser. I know that there are people on this site who will murder me for saying such but for the normal 90% of use cases, its fine. It may not support every html5 tag out there BUT how many site would a AVERAGE user visit that include heavy html5 usage. It's not the main concern, IE6-8 users are.

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RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by Tsukasa on Wed 20th Apr 2011 16:00 in reply to "What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
Tsukasa Member since:
2006-05-15

Shoving off h.264 isn't that far away.

Remember how Adobe announced long, long ago that they'd support WebM in Flash? If they'd finally make true on that promise, YouTube could very well just switch off h.264 support without affecting it's user-base.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Shoving off h.264 isn't that far away.

Remember how Adobe announced long, long ago that they'd support WebM in Flash? If they'd finally make true on that promise, YouTube could very well just switch off h.264 support without affecting it's user-base.

...save for most current-gen mobile phones and tablets which can't view WebM videos either because their manufacturer is stubborn and no one can do the job for them (iOS and WP7 devices) or because devices do not get updated to the latest firmware (Android devices without Flash)

So a few more years to wait...

Edited 2011-04-20 16:17 UTC

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RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by lunarcloud on Thu 21st Apr 2011 15:26 in reply to "What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
lunarcloud Member since:
2008-04-28

Or a link to the codec download page.

Safari and IE use the system codecs. They support it as long as it's installed on the system.

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RE: What Youtube SHOULD do!!
by steogede2 on Sun 24th Apr 2011 10:27 in reply to "What Youtube SHOULD do!!"
steogede2 Member since:
2007-08-17

What they should do is delete all the H.264 copies of the video's encoded and then put up a page explaining that IE/Safari/iOS


Don't you mean IE/Safari/iOS/Android (pre-2.3.3 - i.e. the vast majority of devices)

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