Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th Apr 2011 20:55 UTC
Linux Yeah, it's the day of double-dippin' today. And, the contradiction couldn't be bigger. In one corner we have one of the oldest and most respected distributions, and in the other corner we have the sometimes controversial but immensely popular relative newcomer. Slackware 13.37 and Ubuntu 11.04 have been released.
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RE[3]: Wayland
by phoenix on Thu 28th Apr 2011 23:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wayland"
phoenix
Member since:
2005-07-11

I'm betting a week or two after Wayland can actually be used by non-Wayland programmers. ;) Would seem to kind of pointless to switch to a non-usable windowing system.

Edited 2011-04-28 23:02 UTC

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RE[4]: Wayland
by tuma324 on Thu 28th Apr 2011 23:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Wayland"
tuma324 Member since:
2010-04-09

I'm betting a week or two after Wayland can actually be used by non-Wayland programmers. ;) Would seem to kind of pointless to switch to a non-usable windowing system.


Perhaps a little misinformed?

How is it non-usable? You can run a nested X11 session on top of Wayland and have all your applications working. It does work with all the open source drivers (Intel, Nouveau, ATI/Radeon, etc.) and it allows you to run multiple X11 sessions for backwards compatibility.

It also makes good use of KMS, it doesn't have all the cruft and hacks that X11/Xorg does have, and it's lean and mean. That's far from pointless IMHO.

Edited 2011-04-28 23:23 UTC

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RE[5]: Wayland
by joekiser on Thu 28th Apr 2011 23:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Wayland"
joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

How is it non-usable? You can run a nested X11 session on top of Wayland and have all your applications working. It does work with all the open source drivers (Intel, Nouveau, ATI/Radeon, etc.) and it allows you to run multiple X11 sessions for backwards compatibility.


On Linux.

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RE[5]: Wayland
by Elv13 on Thu 28th Apr 2011 23:41 in reply to "RE[4]: Wayland"
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2006-06-12

Because it does not work with all hardware
Because it is not released at all
Because it have not been tested enough
Because, as it's just barely useful hosting X session, it only add bloat to the current X
Because no toolkit support it correctly
Because support for essential protocols is non-existant even on paper
Because it's years away from being ready
Because Unity can't work with Wayland by design (compiz)

I could come up with some more, but its enough

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RE[5]: Wayland
by WereCatf on Fri 29th Apr 2011 03:50 in reply to "RE[4]: Wayland"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

It does work with all the open source drivers (Intel, Nouveau, ATI/Radeon, etc.)


But not with any of the closed-source ones. That already is enough for it to be unusable for many a people.

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RE[5]: Wayland
by phoenix on Fri 29th Apr 2011 19:12 in reply to "RE[4]: Wayland"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

How is it non-usable? You can run a nested X11 session on top of Wayland and have all your applications working.


Sooooo, you can run a replacement windowing system ... with your normal X11 windowing system on top ... and that's suddenly better than just running X11 by itself? How is adding extra layers "removing bloat"?

Until there are Wayland apps, toolkits, frameworks, etc, there's really no reason to make it available in Ubuntu as the default. Which is what the OP is about.

Sure, those who want to play with it can install it themselves. Those who want to develop for it can install it themselves.

But it should not be an option on the main Ubuntu install CD until it's a viable alternative to X11, including native app support.

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