Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Apr 2011 22:06 UTC, submitted by sjvn
SuSE, openSUSE Attachmate now owns Novell and therefore, by extension, also owns SUSE and openSUSE. With Oracle currently doing everything in its power to thoroughly destroy what's left of Sun's open source commitments, scepticism abound about the future of SUSE, and more specifically of openSUSE. Attachmate's CEO has answered some questions about the future of SUSE and openSUSE, and as far as words go, it's looking good.
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RE[3]: As far as words go....
by Sabon on Sat 30th Apr 2011 16:59 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: As far as words go...."
Sabon
Member since:
2005-07-06

gfolkert - You are 100% correct.

I've had to use both heavily and MSs directory services are not anywhere near as good as Novells.

The problem with Novell is that they always assumed that the best technology would win and that everyone would play fair.

MS _can't_ play fair. When you don't have as good of a product you can't play nice and expect to win. Especially when your product isn't _anywhere_ near as good as the other companies (and I agree about it still not being anywhere near as good).

So what does MS do?

Lots of things. FUD of course but MS also plays to CEOs egos. I've met too many CEOs that believe that being able to hang around someone rich makes them feel a lot better. It's like having a trophy wife. Hey, if that guy can marry _that_ totally hot woman then he must be really great even though he isn't good looking.

That's how the place where I work moved from GroupWise to Outlook/Exchange and are moving all services from Novell to MS (it's literally on the timeline for 8 years - plus some things are moving to Linux - but not SUSE - from Novell).

Outlook/Exchange is horrible compared to GroupWise. It needs more servers and even doubling them is not enough to have Outlook clients "live". Instead most companies don't have Outlook in "live" mode like GroupWise runs with no problems. Instead they (and we) use cache mode. Pretty pathetic.

Don't get me started about pushing applications (totally different subject than email). With Novell when you tell apps to push you can have them push right now, that second, to as many computers as you want (OK, there are limits). With MS the app doesn't install right away. Instead it install anywhere from four to 24 hours later. And that is "normal". How pathetic.

I could go on and on and on and on and on about how MS is nowhere near as good as Novell. Lemmings will be lemmings though. It's like the merchant who convinces the king that only true royalty can see the material. Since the king doesn't want to appear to be of bad (non royal blood) he lies and says he can see the material and the man sells the king the material.

People talk about Steve Jobs "distortion field". What they don't understand is that Bill Gates has a bigger distortion field and they have no idea how he is serving them **** for years and they are eating it up like crazy thinking they are eating very good food.

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pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

What they don't understand is that Bill Gates has a bigger distortion field and they have no idea how he is serving them **** for years and they are eating it up like crazy thinking they are eating very good food.


In some cases Sabon, we are getting very good food. As a long time J2EE developer (more than 10 years) who has been working with .NET for the past year, I really have to say that Microsoft produces a far better product when it comes to the whole Web application stack that they provide (ASP.NET, IIS, Visual Studio.NET, SQL Server). The fact that it is all designed to work seamlessly together produces a platform that is more robust and less prone to weird problems than any Java stack I have worked with. I'm convinced most of the problems with Java come from cobbling together technologies from different vendors to achieve the same kind of functionality that Microsoft gives you in one seamless stack that is all designed to work together.

And as far as development environments go, Visual Studio.NET is a better product than any of the Java development environments available.

Obviously, I'm not trying to suggest Microsoft is perfect. But when it comes to development of enterprise level applications, well, I can only say I wish I had tried the MS stack sooner. I spend a lot less time pulling my hair out than I do with J2EE / Java EE.

Edited 2011-05-01 01:29 UTC

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RE[5]: As far as words go....
by oiaohm on Sun 1st May 2011 07:36 in reply to "RE[4]: As far as words go...."
oiaohm Member since:
2009-05-30

"What they don't understand is that Bill Gates has a bigger distortion field and they have no idea how he is serving them **** for years and they are eating it up like crazy thinking they are eating very good food.


In some cases Sabon, we are getting very good food. As a long time J2EE developer (more than 10 years) who has been working with .NET for the past year, I really have to say that Microsoft produces a far better product when it comes to the whole Web application stack that they provide (ASP.NET, IIS, Visual Studio.NET, SQL Server). The fact that it is all designed to work seamlessly together produces a platform that is more robust and less prone to weird problems than any Java stack I have worked with. I'm convinced most of the problems with Java come from cobbling together technologies from different vendors to achieve the same kind of functionality that Microsoft gives you in one seamless stack that is all designed to work together.
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There is the problem. Yes ASP.Net works when on a pure MS stack. Mono legally we don't know since ASP.Net is not covered by the community promise.

Really lot of cases I find ASP.net worse than PHP. At least PHP I have cheaper server rental than java or .net.

When it comes to web techs. PHP is Number 1. Java is Number 2. And .net is tail of the hunt. Both Java and PHP has lot of premade applications to get you going with.

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pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

And as far as development environments go, Visual Studio.NET is a better product than any of the Java development environments available.


I take that back. There is one Java IDE that is as good as Visual Studio.NET. IntelliJ IDEA. It's the only one that can compete with Visual Studio.NET.

Eclipse has been stagnant for years now and has been showing virtually no innovation. And Eclipse WTP is terrible when it comes to Javascript development.

NetBeans had a lot of promise, but it seems Oracle is intent on discontinuing development and support for half of it's features. So I don't know what the future holds for NetBeans anymore.

IntelliJ Idea is awesome though, and can effectively compete with Visual Studio.NET quite well.

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