Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Apr 2011 22:06 UTC, submitted by sjvn
SuSE, openSUSE Attachmate now owns Novell and therefore, by extension, also owns SUSE and openSUSE. With Oracle currently doing everything in its power to thoroughly destroy what's left of Sun's open source commitments, scepticism abound about the future of SUSE, and more specifically of openSUSE. Attachmate's CEO has answered some questions about the future of SUSE and openSUSE, and as far as words go, it's looking good.
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RE[4]: As far as words go....
by pantheraleo on Sun 1st May 2011 01:15 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: As far as words go...."
pantheraleo
Member since:
2007-03-07

What they don't understand is that Bill Gates has a bigger distortion field and they have no idea how he is serving them **** for years and they are eating it up like crazy thinking they are eating very good food.


In some cases Sabon, we are getting very good food. As a long time J2EE developer (more than 10 years) who has been working with .NET for the past year, I really have to say that Microsoft produces a far better product when it comes to the whole Web application stack that they provide (ASP.NET, IIS, Visual Studio.NET, SQL Server). The fact that it is all designed to work seamlessly together produces a platform that is more robust and less prone to weird problems than any Java stack I have worked with. I'm convinced most of the problems with Java come from cobbling together technologies from different vendors to achieve the same kind of functionality that Microsoft gives you in one seamless stack that is all designed to work together.

And as far as development environments go, Visual Studio.NET is a better product than any of the Java development environments available.

Obviously, I'm not trying to suggest Microsoft is perfect. But when it comes to development of enterprise level applications, well, I can only say I wish I had tried the MS stack sooner. I spend a lot less time pulling my hair out than I do with J2EE / Java EE.

Edited 2011-05-01 01:29 UTC

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RE[5]: As far as words go....
by oiaohm on Sun 1st May 2011 07:36 in reply to "RE[4]: As far as words go...."
oiaohm Member since:
2009-05-30

"What they don't understand is that Bill Gates has a bigger distortion field and they have no idea how he is serving them **** for years and they are eating it up like crazy thinking they are eating very good food.


In some cases Sabon, we are getting very good food. As a long time J2EE developer (more than 10 years) who has been working with .NET for the past year, I really have to say that Microsoft produces a far better product when it comes to the whole Web application stack that they provide (ASP.NET, IIS, Visual Studio.NET, SQL Server). The fact that it is all designed to work seamlessly together produces a platform that is more robust and less prone to weird problems than any Java stack I have worked with. I'm convinced most of the problems with Java come from cobbling together technologies from different vendors to achieve the same kind of functionality that Microsoft gives you in one seamless stack that is all designed to work together.
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There is the problem. Yes ASP.Net works when on a pure MS stack. Mono legally we don't know since ASP.Net is not covered by the community promise.

Really lot of cases I find ASP.net worse than PHP. At least PHP I have cheaper server rental than java or .net.

When it comes to web techs. PHP is Number 1. Java is Number 2. And .net is tail of the hunt. Both Java and PHP has lot of premade applications to get you going with.

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Slambert666 Member since:
2008-10-30

When it comes to web techs. PHP is Number 1. Java is Number 2. And .net is tail of the hunt. Both Java and PHP has lot of premade applications to get you going with.


Do you have a link that supports that statement or are you just making those numbers up?

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pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

There is the problem. Yes ASP.Net works when on a pure MS stack.


You don't have to run a pure MS stack to use ASP.NET of course. You can use it with Oracle, MySQL, DB2, or any other database for example. But again, there is something to be said for having a single point of contact when something goes wrong as it eliminates any ambiguity as to who's responsibility it is to support the issue.

Really lot of cases I find ASP.net worse than PHP. At least PHP I have cheaper server rental than java or .net.


And that's fine, if your biggest concern is cheap hosting space. But if your biggest concern is that you lose you hundreds of thousands of dollars for every minute of downtime you have, then having a well supported stack where you can get a support team on the phone 24/7 that knows the entire stack inside and out, because they are the guys that wrote the whole thing becomes a lot more important.

When it comes to web techs. PHP is Number 1. Java is Number 2. And .net is tail of the hunt. Both Java and PHP has lot of premade applications to get you going with.


Well, PHP might be the most popular as far as sheer number of PHP Web applications deployed. But again, keep in mind that many PHP Web sites are very small, and PHP might be used for nothing more than providing an email contact form or something.

There are a lot of pre-written applications in PHP, yes. But that only matters to me if I am doing something like trying to set up a blog, or wiki, or forum site. PHP has done a pretty good job at producing "generic" horizontal reusable applications like that.

Both Java and .NET on the other hand, tend to be used a lot more for developing vertical market specialized applications that by their very nature, are not reusable because of their specialization. And are not "generic" like a blog, or wiki.

Edited 2011-05-01 15:30 UTC

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Slambert666 Member since:
2008-10-30

When it comes to web techs. PHP is Number 1. Java is Number 2. And .net is tail of the hunt. Both Java and PHP has lot of premade applications to get you going with.


I'm Replying here because of the stupid "hide nested comments" here on this site.

I knew you were just making stuff up, because Java is almost not being used any more and nobody is using ruby etc.

The data from the top 1M websites are as follows:
PHP: 76.2%
ASP.NET: 22.7%
Java: 3.2%
ColdFusion: 1.3%
Perl: 1.1%
Ruby: 0.6%
Python 0.2%

Source:
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all

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pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

And as far as development environments go, Visual Studio.NET is a better product than any of the Java development environments available.


I take that back. There is one Java IDE that is as good as Visual Studio.NET. IntelliJ IDEA. It's the only one that can compete with Visual Studio.NET.

Eclipse has been stagnant for years now and has been showing virtually no innovation. And Eclipse WTP is terrible when it comes to Javascript development.

NetBeans had a lot of promise, but it seems Oracle is intent on discontinuing development and support for half of it's features. So I don't know what the future holds for NetBeans anymore.

IntelliJ Idea is awesome though, and can effectively compete with Visual Studio.NET quite well.

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