Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Apr 2011 22:06 UTC, submitted by sjvn
SuSE, openSUSE Attachmate now owns Novell and therefore, by extension, also owns SUSE and openSUSE. With Oracle currently doing everything in its power to thoroughly destroy what's left of Sun's open source commitments, scepticism abound about the future of SUSE, and more specifically of openSUSE. Attachmate's CEO has answered some questions about the future of SUSE and openSUSE, and as far as words go, it's looking good.
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RE[5]: As far as words go....
by oiaohm on Sun 1st May 2011 07:36 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: As far as words go...."
oiaohm
Member since:
2009-05-30

"What they don't understand is that Bill Gates has a bigger distortion field and they have no idea how he is serving them **** for years and they are eating it up like crazy thinking they are eating very good food.


In some cases Sabon, we are getting very good food. As a long time J2EE developer (more than 10 years) who has been working with .NET for the past year, I really have to say that Microsoft produces a far better product when it comes to the whole Web application stack that they provide (ASP.NET, IIS, Visual Studio.NET, SQL Server). The fact that it is all designed to work seamlessly together produces a platform that is more robust and less prone to weird problems than any Java stack I have worked with. I'm convinced most of the problems with Java come from cobbling together technologies from different vendors to achieve the same kind of functionality that Microsoft gives you in one seamless stack that is all designed to work together.
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There is the problem. Yes ASP.Net works when on a pure MS stack. Mono legally we don't know since ASP.Net is not covered by the community promise.

Really lot of cases I find ASP.net worse than PHP. At least PHP I have cheaper server rental than java or .net.

When it comes to web techs. PHP is Number 1. Java is Number 2. And .net is tail of the hunt. Both Java and PHP has lot of premade applications to get you going with.

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Slambert666 Member since:
2008-10-30

When it comes to web techs. PHP is Number 1. Java is Number 2. And .net is tail of the hunt. Both Java and PHP has lot of premade applications to get you going with.


Do you have a link that supports that statement or are you just making those numbers up?

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I actually saw figures supporting this just the other week while looking at different web app frameworks. Can't remember where though but you don't have to be a genius to know that PHP is the most widely deployed one and that .Net isn't even on the map when it comes to public, high-volume sites. It's a good guess that Ruby On Rails is more popular than .net too.
Could be different for Intranet stuff but Java is pretty entrenched there so it might be a toss-up.

The only .net web app of any stature that I can recall right away is Dekiwiki.

Edited 2011-05-01 11:22 UTC

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pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

There is the problem. Yes ASP.Net works when on a pure MS stack.


You don't have to run a pure MS stack to use ASP.NET of course. You can use it with Oracle, MySQL, DB2, or any other database for example. But again, there is something to be said for having a single point of contact when something goes wrong as it eliminates any ambiguity as to who's responsibility it is to support the issue.

Really lot of cases I find ASP.net worse than PHP. At least PHP I have cheaper server rental than java or .net.


And that's fine, if your biggest concern is cheap hosting space. But if your biggest concern is that you lose you hundreds of thousands of dollars for every minute of downtime you have, then having a well supported stack where you can get a support team on the phone 24/7 that knows the entire stack inside and out, because they are the guys that wrote the whole thing becomes a lot more important.

When it comes to web techs. PHP is Number 1. Java is Number 2. And .net is tail of the hunt. Both Java and PHP has lot of premade applications to get you going with.


Well, PHP might be the most popular as far as sheer number of PHP Web applications deployed. But again, keep in mind that many PHP Web sites are very small, and PHP might be used for nothing more than providing an email contact form or something.

There are a lot of pre-written applications in PHP, yes. But that only matters to me if I am doing something like trying to set up a blog, or wiki, or forum site. PHP has done a pretty good job at producing "generic" horizontal reusable applications like that.

Both Java and .NET on the other hand, tend to be used a lot more for developing vertical market specialized applications that by their very nature, are not reusable because of their specialization. And are not "generic" like a blog, or wiki.

Edited 2011-05-01 15:30 UTC

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Slambert666 Member since:
2008-10-30

When it comes to web techs. PHP is Number 1. Java is Number 2. And .net is tail of the hunt. Both Java and PHP has lot of premade applications to get you going with.


I'm Replying here because of the stupid "hide nested comments" here on this site.

I knew you were just making stuff up, because Java is almost not being used any more and nobody is using ruby etc.

The data from the top 1M websites are as follows:
PHP: 76.2%
ASP.NET: 22.7%
Java: 3.2%
ColdFusion: 1.3%
Perl: 1.1%
Ruby: 0.6%
Python 0.2%

Source:
http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all

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pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

I knew you were just making stuff up, because Java is almost not being used any more and nobody is using ruby etc.


The number they have for Java is total BS, and any amount of research would prove it is obviously wrong (as would any understanding of how Java powered Web sites are set up). The reason it is total BS is because there is no way for you to tell that a Web Site is using Java. Unlike PHP, which typically can be discovered because Apache will report that it is running mod_php if you query it for what modules it has installed (a security hole btw, that server admins should disable, but most of them don't) most Java sites just report that they are running Apache HTTPD server because Apache proxies requests for dynamic content to a Java application server behind the scenes. So any attempt to tell how many Web Sites are using Java is completely flawed.

Here are some statistics that are not flawed however:

* Java is the #1 language on Sourceforge.
* IBM, Red Hat, Oracle, VMWare, and HP are all strongly behind Java.
* 100% of Fortune 1000 companies use Java.

And here are some current numbers from dice.com as far as the demand for various languages. From most demand to least demand:

Java: 15911 job listings
.NET: 9084 job listings
PHP: 2996 job listings
Python: 2447 job listings
Ruby: 1478 job listings
Coldfusion: 335 job listings.

Java is clearly the dominant platform. The only platform that is even on the radar as a potential threat is .NET.

Also, according to Simply Hired, demand for Java developers increased 10% between September of 2009, and January of 2011. A 10% increase in job demand (even though we went through the worst recession since the 1930s) would be a good trick to pull off for a language "that is hardly ever used anymore" as you put it. Demand for PHP jobs also increased 10%, which means that PHP made no gains on Java at all in that period.

.NET was stagnant and saw no net increase in job demand.

So yeah, I'm afraid I have to call that statistic you posted exactly what it is. BS. And if you read the disclaimer at the site you got it from, and if you knew how most Java application servers are invisible because they run behind an Apache instance acting as a proxy, you'd know why those statistics are BS.

Edited 2011-05-02 06:19 UTC

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