Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th Apr 2011 20:55 UTC
Linux Yeah, it's the day of double-dippin' today. And, the contradiction couldn't be bigger. In one corner we have one of the oldest and most respected distributions, and in the other corner we have the sometimes controversial but immensely popular relative newcomer. Slackware 13.37 and Ubuntu 11.04 have been released.
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RE[7]: Wayland
by OddFox on Sun 1st May 2011 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Wayland"
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Sure but many people also prefer the open-source drivers with good 2d acceleration and good enough 3d acceleration, KMS, RANDR, and so on that the close-source drivers lack.

I'm not knocking Wayland because I look forward to the day when I can use it with any video card including my current NVidia one but I think you should qualify your "many people" statement because I'd say the vast majority of people with ATI and NVidia hardware that is capable of great 3D and 2D performance do not generally prefer to have no decent or even usable 3D hardware accel whatsoever. I know there are people out there with 9600 GT or some other card that is far more suitable for gaming than desktop usage who would really like to actually use the hardware they purchased. There are also nice things like power saving and fan control that Nouveau just simply does not support on many (any?) cards. As far as the F/OSS drivers go, there are plenty of people such as myself that can't even get to square one with a working X display depending on the graphics stack. Hell, even a console is something that might not present itself.

This last paragraph is a little off-topic, but I for one wish that distros would stop trying to hoist Nouveau onto me and just stop giving me a kernel that I have to wrestle with on many modern systems. I haven't even successfully installed the latest Ubuntu onto my system because Nouveau keeps screwing up and I wind up with a screen flicker every 5-10 seconds and a hung terminal interface. I appreciate that it needs testing but quite frankly I can't imagine a worse thing to mass alpha-test on end-users. The whole DRI and graphics situation is a mess right now and even Linus has noted that stuff just breaks way too often in the graphics stack lately.

To be clear, that previous paragraph was not directed at any way towards Wayland, as I don't recall ever being forced to use it or deal with it when it's basically unusable for me. ;)

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