Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th May 2011 22:41 UTC
Games "It all began when a young man named George Hotz began to work on the PlayStation 3, trying to gain access to the machine in a way that made Sony uncomfortable. In response, Sony removed the OtherOS functionality of the PlayStation 3 in a mandatory update, and the hacking community was not happy with this decision, resulting in a sort of cold war. PS3 hackers have once again gained the upper hand: Linux has been returned to the PlayStation 3."
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Wonderfully useless
by Ventajou on Fri 6th May 2011 23:31 UTC
Ventajou
Member since:
2006-10-31

I used to think those console hacks were great but when we come down to it, it's really just hacking for the sake of hacking. I mean, who will jump through all the hoops just to run linux on a PS3 as their everyday box?

With the variety that today's PCs offer in performance and form factor, it's become so easy to find something that fits one's needs. It's also easier to get drivers for such hardware and get on with your productive day.

I guess putting linux on the PS3 is like climbing a high mountain. You put a lot of effort into it and you're really happy once you're on top but then all you can do is sit for a minute, take a picture and come back down.

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RE: Wonderfully uninformed
by Nth_Man on Sat 7th May 2011 00:01 in reply to "Wonderfully useless"
Nth_Man Member since:
2010-05-16

I used to think those console hacks were great but when we come down to it, it's really just hacking for the sake of hacking.

As it was already written:
Cell is still one of the cheapest multicore processors around, and an even better deal when you consider that it also comes with a bluray player.

You show me where I can buy an eight core computer with a bluray player for under $500.

And see what US Air Force do, for example:
http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-air-playstation-3s-supercompute...
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/345642/Air_Force_Taps_PlaySt...
http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=us%20air%20force%20...

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RE[2]: Wonderfully uninformed
by WorknMan on Sat 7th May 2011 00:19 in reply to "RE: Wonderfully uninformed"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

You show me where I can buy an eight core computer with a bluray player for under $500.


Not to mention an HDMI port, a GPU you can actually play modern games on, and a form factor that fits nicely in an entertainment center.

Note: This is not a rhetorical question. I would love to get a PS3, but I don't want to jump through hoops to fully unlock it. But if I could get a real HTPC with comparable specs for about the same price, I would.

Edited 2011-05-07 00:20 UTC

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RE[2]: Wonderfully uninformed
by moondevil on Sat 7th May 2011 01:45 in reply to "RE: Wonderfully uninformed"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Nowadays the cell is easily beaten by a modest GPU using CUDA, STREAM or OpenCL.

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RE: Wonderfully useless
by umccullough on Sat 7th May 2011 00:09 in reply to "Wonderfully useless"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

I guess putting linux on the PS3 is like climbing a high mountain. You put a lot of effort into it and you're really happy once you're on top but then all you can do is sit for a minute, take a picture and come back down.


And then you can download homebrew games, emulators, etc. and actually *use* the hardware you bought for lots of other things that Sony didn't let you do to begin with.

My mod'd original XBOX can do all sorts of neat-o things, including play a DVD, watch countless videos and listen to my entire music collection off the NAS in my office. It also happens to emulate just about any retro console I would want it to.

Edit: Oh, and the console was free, modchip was < $50

Edited 2011-05-07 00:12 UTC

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RE: Wonderfully useless
by Lennie on Sat 7th May 2011 00:59 in reply to "Wonderfully useless"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

I think security research is important, like when they attacked the MD5-hash of a SSL/TLS Certificate Authority Root Certificate and created a rogue certificate:

http://lwn.net/Articles/314997/

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RE: Wonderfully useless
by Morgan on Sat 7th May 2011 04:59 in reply to "Wonderfully useless"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I used to think those console hacks were great but when we come down to it, it's really just hacking for the sake of hacking.


And there you have it. Some folks simply enjoy the journey more than the destination, and there's nothing at all wrong with that. :-)

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RE: Wonderfully useless
by Laurence on Sat 7th May 2011 12:46 in reply to "Wonderfully useless"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I used to think those console hacks were great but when we come down to it, it's really just hacking for the sake of hacking. I mean, who will jump through all the hoops just to run linux on a PS3 as their everyday box?

With the variety that today's PCs offer in performance and form factor, it's become so easy to find something that fits one's needs. It's also easier to get drivers for such hardware and get on with your productive day.

I guess putting linux on the PS3 is like climbing a high mountain. You put a lot of effort into it and you're really happy once you're on top but then all you can do is sit for a minute, take a picture and come back down.


If this was a new console that was hacked, then I might agree with you that it's a largely pointless exercises that's engaged for purely hobbiest (is that a word?) reasons.

However the PS3 did previously support Linux and Sony forcefully removed that feature post sale. So in reality all these hackers are do is returned advertised features to a devices that a purchased with it.

It really is a sad state of affairs when you have to hack a device just to retain functionality, let alone enhance it.

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RE[2]: Wonderfully useless
by WereCatf on Sat 7th May 2011 13:45 in reply to "RE: Wonderfully useless"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

hobbiest (is that a word?)


No, and the correct word you're looking for is "hobbyist", just so you know in the future ;)

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RE[2]: Wonderfully useless
by viton on Sat 7th May 2011 21:39 in reply to "RE: Wonderfully useless"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

in reality all these hackers are do is returned advertised features to a devices that a purchased with it.

OtherOS was not an advertised feature of PS3 Slim.

Edited 2011-05-07 21:39 UTC

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RE: Wonderfully useless
by Alfman on Sat 7th May 2011 20:15 in reply to "Wonderfully useless"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Ventajou,

It may be useless to you, but so what? Instead of building a large server out of bulky consumer components, we can re-provision something which is compact and more suitable.

If people can benefit from homebrew software when devices aren't locked down by the manufacturer, who are you to tell them it's useless?

Hacks can extend the functionality, productivity, and lifetime of devices. Consider how much interest there is in custom firmwares for routers and nas devices.

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