Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 10th May 2011 08:19 UTC, submitted by porcel
Microsoft So, the biggest acquisition in Microsoft's history. The Wall Street Journal reports - and it has been confirmed - that Microsoft and Skype will announce today that Redmond will buy Skype for $8.5 billion. That's a lot of money for a company that hasn't ever actually made any profits. Update: and it's official: yay on Skype on the Xbox360 and Windows Phone, and this: "Microsoft will continue to invest in and support Skype clients on non-Microsoft platforms." Let's hope this includes Linux.
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RE: Good riddance
by lucas_maximus on Tue 10th May 2011 20:35 UTC in reply to "Good riddance"
lucas_maximus
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2009-08-18

Well that's a good fit.

Microsoft has held back entire software industry for over a decade with Windows XP, IE 6 and Office. With Skype they can start preventing progress on all real time communications. Since Skype already has a horrible interface, all they have to do is make some irrelevant protocol updates to kill all Linux clients


Oh Wait a second.

Back in 2001, IE6 was the best browser by far. Not until 2004 when Firefox hit 1.0 was there a browser that came close to the speed and functionality of IE6.

Businesses (quite rightly so) had already become dependant on IE6. Development costs for Netscape compatibility were just too expensive and IE6 was a stable target to develop for.

Many crufty legacy apps exist because of things like cost of replacement is too high ... none of us like it, but in the real world this is how things work.

Microsoft held nobody back ... they have just supported their clients as they promised they would do back in 2001 with Windows XP and IE6 support.

As for Windows XP and Office ... there has been no compelling alternative for customers until MacOSX Tiger (Believe it was about this time Macs started getting some real Market share) and Windows 7 (Which the number of Beta Downloads was larger than Desktop Linux users at the time).

Linux Distros and Developers had since 2001 til about 2009 to get their act together to produce a decent desktop operating system and they squadered their chance. Redhat found out early there was no money to be made in Desktop Linux and changed focus after Redhat 9.


Open Office is simply rubbish compared to even Microsoft Office 2000.

The only people that have forced Microsoft to innovate are Apple,Google and the Mozilla Firefox developers.

Killing Linux support could actually turn out to be a good thing. Someone could take the task of creating a true crossplatfom OSS Skype replacements with private key encryption etc.


Microsoft haven't said yet they will be killing the Linux version. So hold your horses.

Even if they did say kill the Linux version, desktop linux has less than a 1% install base so even if they did kill Linux support, An OSS alternative (many that already exist) won't suddenly become attractive to the vast majority of users. Since other mainstream platforms (i.e. Windows and MacOSX) will still retain their users.

If they killed say Android or MacOSX support then there maybe interest in a OSS alternative to skype, but Android already has google talk, and MacOSX/iOS already has iChat and FaceTime.

So don't count on there being a open-source uprising if Linux support is killed.

Edited 2011-05-10 20:36 UTC

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RE[2]: Good riddance
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 10th May 2011 22:11 in reply to "RE: Good riddance"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14


Microsoft held nobody back ... they have just supported their clients as they promised they would do back in 2001 with Windows XP and IE6 support.


That's a warped version of the events. They participated in standard bodies, but never implemented the recommendation, even when it was based on a Microsoft technology. Like svg. Based on Microsoft's VML and HTML +time, they flatly refused to support it in any way what-so-ever. They kept the crufty half broken predecessors, but never improved them or went to the standards. They held everyone back by not doing anything at all to keep up with the developing standards. Which meant that when a competitor did arise that followed the standards that microsoft itself helped develop, everyone was held back by microsoft.


Your xp argument is also flawed by the lack of compatibility between operating systems. You could not in 2005 switch to any other non-Microsoft program and expect the existing programs to just work. Monopolies that have high start up costs to compete with tend to stick around for a long time, despite a lack of development.

Office...? Not sure why or how that held anyone back for a decade. It could be better, but its fairly decent, but your opinion of open office is about a decade old. Its good now. Office 2000 was decent, but I'd say OO.org is better because of the openess of the file format and the fact that they don't break compatibility with older formats. Access 2000 couldn't open Access 1997 databases without converting them to the 2000 format, which meant any one still using 1997 version was SOL. OO.org will never do that BS.

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RE[3]: Good riddance
by lucas_maximus on Wed 11th May 2011 08:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Good riddance"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

That's a warped version of the events. They participated in standard bodies, but never implemented the recommendation, even when it was based on a Microsoft technology. Like svg. Based on Microsoft's VML and HTML +time, they flatly refused to support it in any way what-so-ever. They kept the crufty half broken predecessors, but never improved them or went to the standards. They held everyone back by not doing anything at all to keep up with the developing standards. Which meant that when a competitor did arise that followed the standards that microsoft itself helped develop, everyone was held back by microsoft.


Which was nothing to do with IE6. There was nothing else worth developing for at the time.

As for SVG ... I never seen it used, I never need to use it on the web ever. I never had a use case where I've needed to use it.

Most websites their code doesn't even pass validation (I run a firefox plugin that validates my markup as develop so I can see instantly whether a website passes). So it nice that we have cool things like SVG etc ... but most

Your xp argument is also flawed by the lack of compatibility between operating systems. You could not in 2005 switch to any other non-Microsoft program and expect the existing programs to just work. Monopolies that have high start up costs to compete with tend to stick around for a long time, despite a lack of development.


The lack of compatibility was vendors not using the APIs.

I have plenty of programs from the Win98 era that work fine on Vista and 7, wait a sec there is one that doesn't work ... Visual Studio .NET 2003 ... which isn't supported anymore.

I would like to see how many MacOSX programs and Linux programs that require a GUI you could still run from 2004 on modern systems. I guess it nowhere near the number that are working on current versions of Windows.

Office...? Not sure why or how that held anyone back for a decade. It could be better, but its fairly decent, but your opinion of open office is about a decade old.


It isn't decent. It kinda good enough most of the time, but OO is miles behind even Office 2007.

Its good now. Office 2000 was decent, but I'd say OO.org is better because of the openess of the file format and the fact that they don't break compatibility with older formats. Access 2000 couldn't open Access 1997 databases without converting them to the 2000 format, which meant any one still using 1997 version was SOL. OO.org will never do that BS.


Nobody gives a shit about the openess of document file format except the GNU brigade.

Most businesses roll out updates to office company wide so everyone is running the same version, so it becomes a moot point in 99.9% of circumstances.

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RE[2]: Good riddance
by Mellin on Wed 11th May 2011 07:03 in reply to "RE: Good riddance"
Mellin Member since:
2005-07-06

Where do you get that linux is less than 1% intall base?

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