Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 12th May 2011 22:10 UTC
Google Because of Google I/O going full-steam ahead, it's a bit of a Google thing going on here. Google co-founder Sergey Brin had a little chat with the press about the Chromebooks Google announced yesterday, and during that talk, he stated that traditional PC operating systems are "torturing users" with their complexity. While he certainly has a point, I'm not sure I like his solution. Giving Google all my files? Yeah... No.
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Users Torturing Selves
by jwwf on Fri 13th May 2011 00:19 UTC
jwwf
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2006-01-19

Users torture themselves by assuming it's possible to use a tool effectively without even attempting to understand how it works and how to use it.

Obviously you might say "Well, they don't want to be computer experts, they just want to write an email". Too bad. No one thinks that it's OK to not learn to drive properly just because people "just want to go places, not become driving experts".

Considering the costs of identity theft, data loss, etc, there are real consequences to this refusal to learn. Sure, operating systems implementors can help out, but if you expect them to solve the problem, let me ask you: How's that worked out so far?

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RE: Users Torturing Selves
by Drumhellar on Fri 13th May 2011 01:26 in reply to "Users Torturing Selves"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

People don't kill innocent bystanders because they suck at writing email.

Only damage done is to your own personal data and credit, not grevious bodily harm to others.

It does sadden me, though, that there could be big business catering to those too lazy to learn common skills.

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RE[2]: Users Torturing Selves
by jwwf on Fri 13th May 2011 02:19 in reply to "RE: Users Torturing Selves"
jwwf Member since:
2006-01-19

People don't kill innocent bystanders because they suck at writing email.

Only damage done is to your own personal data and credit, not grevious bodily harm to others.

It does sadden me, though, that there could be big business catering to those too lazy to learn common skills.


A more apt analogy might be this: A person picks up a hammer for the first time, bends a bunch of nails, hits his fingers a couple of times, and then concludes "This hammer sucks!".

I am perfectly happy if somebody makes money by finding an unserved market niche. I just dislike the cultural norm of this being considered reasonable behavior.

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RE[2]: Users Torturing Selves
by Nth_Man on Fri 13th May 2011 12:16 in reply to "RE: Users Torturing Selves"
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2010-05-16

Only damage done is to your own personal data and credit

I'm sure that you realize that people have data of other people, like their email address and other more sensitive data.

Also, being part of a botnet is almost always being part of malicious actions to other people.

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RE[2]: Users Torturing Selves
by bert64 on Sat 14th May 2011 12:40 in reply to "RE: Users Torturing Selves"
bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

People don't kill innocent bystanders because they suck at writing email.


And this is the only reason government regulation hasn't stepped in already...

People who don't want to learn how cars work have alternatives - buses, trains, taxis etc. And this is what Google seeks to do, create a system for people who don't care how computers work and just want to do basic things that today are done using complicated computers...

Computers were designed by geeks for geeks, the average user should not need to worry about keeping software up to date, should not need to worry about malware, firewalls, video codecs etc.. They should have a simple system that provides them access to the data they want with the minimum of fuss.

Leave complicated operating systems to the geeks who can understand how to use them.

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RE: Users Torturing Selves
by Sabon on Fri 13th May 2011 22:49 in reply to "Users Torturing Selves"
Sabon Member since:
2005-07-06

It would be hard to have an analogy that is more wrong.

The correct analogy is that people using computers is like people driving. Most people do not want to do their own maintenance on their car OR their computer.

With cars there is a place you can take it to have it worked on. It is true for computer too ... BUT, and there is a huge butt. The complexity of computer is far greater and because of bad design.

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RE: Users Torturing Selves
by JAlexoid on Sat 14th May 2011 10:29 in reply to "Users Torturing Selves"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Users torture themselves by assuming it's possible to use a tool effectively without even attempting to understand how it works and how to use it.

Obviously you might say "Well, they don't want to be computer experts, they just want to write an email". Too bad. No one thinks that it's OK to not learn to drive properly just because people "just want to go places, not become driving experts".


Considering how many people are crap at driving and die as a result(you know that with identity theft you don't loose your life, don't you?), they should be required to be driving experts.

But, what you are saying that people become mechanics before they start driving.

I think that basic computer programming has to be mandatory in schools in the near future, since computers are everywhere. But design for simplicity, to have a lot of things that you don't worry about, is a good thing.

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RE: Users Torturing Selves
by AlxHamiltn on Mon 16th May 2011 02:05 in reply to "Users Torturing Selves"
AlxHamiltn Member since:
2011-05-16

What a load...

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