Linked by Kroc Camen on Tue 17th May 2011 12:05 UTC
Mono Project Two weeks ago we covered the news that the Mono development team were let go kicked out by the new owners of Novel, Attachmate, apparently to move operations to Germany. Miguel de Icazza, founder of Mono, has taken this opportunity to break off on his own and has started a new company, Xamarin, to bring commercial .NET development products to iOS and Android.
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RE: Comment by Morin
by lucas_maximus on Tue 17th May 2011 19:41 UTC in reply to "Comment by Morin"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

MS's .NET development tools could use some competition to catch up (seriously, they're still trying but failing to imitate Eclipse), and free .NET libraries and frameworks are still in their infancy compared to their equivalent for Java.


Oh comon ... eclipse is crap compared to even VS 2005. NuGet Package manager actually is inspired more by Ruby Gems than anything else (which is what I am pretty sure you are referring to).

Eclipse is a jack of all trades when it comes to being an IDE, and is the best free IDE for Java, Android and a few other languages however.

A lot of free stuff for .NET is indeed still in it's infancy, however it a lot easier to find (most of it being on codeplex) than Java free libraries.

The main problem with the free .NET libraries is that the docs are all over the place ... Codeplex is no MSDN and I have a mare finding decent docs for Codeplex projects ... A lot of stuff is moving to GitHub as well which is proving a pain in the arse to version track if it isn't the main NuGet repository because I can't install GIT due to internal policies.

I never needed to use MONO since I develop for mostly ASP.NET on Windows 2008 ... but I listened to a podcast with Miguel in it ... and he absolutely loved the .NET API ... It is the best API I have worked with other than Google's APIs.

Edited 2011-05-17 19:46 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Morin
by Morin on Wed 18th May 2011 06:34 in reply to "RE: Comment by Morin"
Morin Member since:
2005-12-31

Oh comon ... eclipse is crap compared to even VS 2005. NuGet Package manager actually is inspired more by Ruby Gems than anything else (which is what I am pretty sure you are referring to).


I am referring to the C# development tools, even those from VS 2010, which are total crap compared to the Java development tools found in Eclipse, latest version.

I have never used NuGet, and frankly I don't see how a package manager would help me over sub-par code editing/completion tools.

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RE[3]: Comment by Morin
by lucas_maximus on Wed 18th May 2011 09:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Morin"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I don't know what version of Visual Studio you have used but code completion is miles ahead of Eclipse ...

Code completion feels clunky in Eclipse compared to VS2010 and I can't use space or ctrl-space to complete which really slows me down.

The only bad versions of Visual Studio is 2002 and 2003.

I had to go back to using Eclipse the other week for an Android project and I felt like I was back in 2004.

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RE[3]: Comment by Morin
by pantheraleo on Wed 18th May 2011 18:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Morin"
pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

I am referring to the C# development tools, even those from VS 2010, which are total crap compared to the Java development tools found in Eclipse, latest version.



Eclipse is crap. It's been stagnant for years. NetBeans and IntelliJ IDEA are both way ahead of it now.

Eclipse's WTP tools are so bad, they are almost unusable. Visual Studio is significantly better than Eclipse.

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