Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd May 2011 22:13 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
OS/2 and eComStation Yes, it's still being updated. OS/2 eComStation 2.1 has been released by Serenity Systems International and Mensys BV. The market for eComStation may not be particularly huge, but it still has its niches here and there. Since there might be folks here that aren't in the know: eComStation is the commercial continuation of IBM's OS/2, developed to support modern hardware.
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Swimming with the crowd
by frajo on Tue 24th May 2011 19:00 UTC
frajo
Member since:
2007-06-29

Thanks, Thom, for mentioning my main OS. Just yesterday installed the new 2.1 on an old PIII server. No problem, not even the 16:10 display.
Now I'm going to put it onto an Athlon X2 box with an eSATA attached 1.5 TB disk. The machines are KVM-ed, so it's the same screen.

I'm not intending to proselytize, but I have to admit that I like entertainment of the Harold Camping style ("The End is Near"; "too pricey", "oldfashioned", "no hardware support"), especially when it's going on for more than ten years.

This kind of stuff could make me think to own sort of superpowers not available to mere earthlings - if it were not for the fact that the Harold Campings of eCS are just guessing and projecting around.

It's quite understandable that ordinary youngsters can't imagine the world of mainframe fortran programming. And I just don't care. Let them have fun with their gaming devices (if possible) - I am thankful to all those who created or maintain OS/2 rsp. eComStation as no other OS can give me this rewarding feeling.

Some hints:
1) If you talk about prices you must not forget the TCO.
2) Former OS/2 or eCS users pay considerably less than other users.
3) The "Home & Student" license can be used on up to five production machines.
4) When you are 60, why should you care about your OS's future?
5) What makes some OS/2 and eCS adversaries that much nervous? Why do they care at all? When I don't like a site I don't waste my time to complain there. When I don't like an OS, I don't waste my time with spreading negative gossip.
6) I very much like this site. Not because of the news but because of the information.

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RE: Swimming with the crowd
by pantheraleo on Tue 24th May 2011 19:16 in reply to "Swimming with the crowd"
pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

if it were not for the fact that the Harold Campings of eCS are just guessing and projecting around.


The difference is that I am not predicting a future event. OS/2 died a long time ago. A few die-hard hold outs just aren't willing to accept that.

1) If you talk about prices you must not forget the TCO.


Which is probably higher with eCS, because of the difficulty in obtaining modern hardware that is fuklly supported.

2) Former OS/2 or eCS users pay considerably less than other users.


And that means what? That that die-hard OS/2 users might keep using it, and might pay less. But new users pay more? That's not exactly going to attract any new users then, is it?

3) The "Home & Student" license can be used on up to five production machines.


The "GPL" license means I can install Linux on an infinite number of systems without paying anything. And the home and student edition of of ecomstation only comes with six months of software subscription services. So you will stop getting updates after 6 months unless you pay again.

5) What makes some OS/2 and eCS adversaries that much nervous?


I'm not an adverary. Like I said, OS/2 was, at one time, my favorite OS. But unfortunately, IBM seriously botched the marketing of it. They also seriously botched strategic planning a far as what they wanted to do with it. First pushing it onto home systems, then saying they didn't care about home users. Then they made the mistake of thinking the Power chips were the future of computing and spent all of their OS/2 resources porting OS/2 to PowerPC, only to back out of that and then back port it to x86 again. They botched everything about it so badly that it is, for all practical purposes, dead now. At some point, I had to move on and stop living in the past.

Edited 2011-05-24 19:31 UTC

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RE[2]: Swimming with the crowd
by frajo on Wed 25th May 2011 08:58 in reply to "RE: Swimming with the crowd"
frajo Member since:
2007-06-29

"if it were not for the fact that the Harold Campings of eCS are just guessing and projecting around.


The difference is that I am not predicting a future event.
"Instead, you're interpreting the present times.
OS/2 died a long time ago. A few die-hard hold outs just aren't willing to accept that.
So what? I hereby solemnly declare that I accept that you believe that OS/2 died a long time ago. May I now go on configuring my eCS 2.1 heterogeneous LAN server?

"1) If you talk about prices you must not forget the TCO.


Which is probably higher with eCS, because of the difficulty in obtaining modern hardware that is fuklly supported.
"As I said - guesswork of outsiders.
[1.1] I don't need "modern" hardware; I need usable hardware.
[1.2] It's fun to build one's own machines from hand-selected components. Because these machines are unique: they have personality.
Like my books, my music, my clothes, my languages - they are extensions of my own personality; no way shadows in a world of consumers.

"2) Former OS/2 or eCS users pay considerably less than other users.


And that means what? That that die-hard OS/2 users might keep using it, and might pay less. But new users pay more? That's not exactly going to attract any new users then, is it?
"Why should I care about new users? Neither am I a teacher nor do I engage in any business.
Young people asking for affordable software know where to find that. If not, I show them my fedora box.

"3) The "Home & Student" license can be used on up to five production machines.


The "GPL" license means I can install Linux on an infinite number of systems without paying anything.
"I know that. But non-eCS users don't know the exact eCS license boundary conditions.
And the home and student edition of of ecomstation only comes with six months of software subscription services. So you will stop getting updates after 6 months unless you pay again.
This is how it looks for outsiders. Insiders know better.
And it doesn't matter to me. Prices are ok as I don't intend to buy and use modern gimmicks like iphones and their ilk.

"5) What makes some OS/2 and eCS adversaries that much nervous?


I'm not an adverary.
"Most people have a self-image different from their image in other people. Nothing to quarrel about.
Like I said, OS/2 was, at one time, my favorite OS. But unfortunately, IBM seriously botched the marketing of it. They also seriously botched strategic planning a far as what they wanted to do with it. First pushing it onto home systems, then saying they didn't care about home users. Then they made the mistake of thinking the Power chips were the future of computing and spent all of their OS/2 resources porting OS/2 to PowerPC, only to back out of that and then back port it to x86 again.
Maybe you are right. So what? My eCS machines are running fine.
They botched everything about it so badly that it is, for all practical purposes, dead now. At some point, I had to move on and stop living in the past.
Your personal story is touching. But my eCS machines are running just fine.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

If you personally like e-comstation /OS/2. That's great, I loved it too. Everyone should be able to run what every system they prefer. But, seriously, its not for everyone. Your list of hints that do not relate to your personal feelings, are wildly inaccurate. misleading and/or irrelevant. Your personal love of the OS has bled from the realm of subjectivity into your objective parts of your brain. That's a recipe for a pointless argument ( like the one with the first responder with someone with a more clear separation between the subjective and objective sections of their brain.

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RE[2]: Swimming with the crowd
by frajo on Sat 28th May 2011 09:25 in reply to "RE: Swimming with the crowd"
frajo Member since:
2007-06-29

Your list of hints that do not relate to your personal feelings, are wildly inaccurate. misleading and/or irrelevant.
Don't know what to love more: the grammar or the stringency.

Your personal love of the OS has bled from the realm of subjectivity into your objective parts of your brain.
That looks like an unfinished topology as it is not evident whether the realm of subjectivity is situated outside or inside of the brain and whether they might be entangled or not. Furthermore I'd appreciate a link to a brain map indicating the objective parts of the brain. Standard fMRI images will suffice.

That's a recipe for a pointless argument ( like the one with the first responder with someone with a more clear separation between the subjective and objective sections of their brain.
I'm not arguing. I'm showing my stance instead.

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