Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 26th May 2011 21:27 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
"KDE has released a first beta of the upcoming 4.7 release of the Plasma Desktop and Netbook workspaces, the KDE Applications and the KDE Frameworks, which is planned for July 27, 2011. With API, dependency and feature freezes in place, the KDE team's focus is now on fixing bugs and further polishing new and old functionality."
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RE: Still not 'ready for the desktop'
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Fri 27th May 2011 02:52
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What do you mean by "Crashing upon shutdown"? Do you have a bug you can point to?
I also never ran into the Kded4 infinite loop when xorg was killed. Maybe I'm just better at killing xorg than you are.
Also never experienced the ACPI freeze. What distro were you running? It could also be the video driver. I had terrible problems with kwin stability in the past with one video card at home, but at work it was rock solid.
RE[2]: Still not 'ready for the desktop'
by lemur2 on Fri 27th May 2011 03:09
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Member since:2007-02-17
What do you mean by "Crashing upon shutdown"? Do you have a bug you can point to? I also never ran into the Kded4 infinite loop when xorg was killed. Maybe I'm just better at killing xorg than you are. Also never experienced the ACPI freeze. What distro were you running? It could also be the video driver. I had terrible problems with kwin stability in the past with one video card at home, but at work it was rock solid.
Is it just me, or does there seem to be an agenda coming from "lie for Windows" types to try to prevent other people from wanting to try KDE4 in particular?
RE[2]: Still not 'ready for the desktop'
by WereCatf on Sun 29th May 2011 10:25
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Member since:2006-02-15
I have before mentioned it in another KDE-related story that I always seem to experience random crashes and glitches in KDE. I have no idea why, but for example moving the panel around and/or adjusting its size usually gets me a nice crash which also screws up the rest of the desktop and requires killing X.org. This also has happened on several different hardware configurations and distros, so it's not definitely related to a specific driver or distro.
The general crashiness of KDE is one of those things that quite quickly put me off of it. If the situation hasn't gotten better yet they should definitely work on it then.
RE: Still not 'ready for the desktop'
by lemur2 on Fri 27th May 2011 03:05
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KDE 4.7 B1 still suffers of BOTH Kwin and Plasma crashing upon shutdown. That just is no way an acceptable feature for a mainstream desktop environment. At least they seem to have fixed Kded4, which always got stuck into a infinite loop when Xorg was killed. I am yet to test whether they also fixed other Kded4 problems like ACPI Shutdown key causing a one-minute freeze of the system.
I haven't had any such issue with KDE4 for yonks. KDE 4.0 was a bit flaky, but even that wasn't as bad as the picture you seem to be trying to paint here.
As for being 'ready for the desktop' ... KDE4 is already the best desktop in the sense that it can run in the widest variety of contexts. There is already a desktop version and a netbook version, and a touch version (for tablets and mobiles) is in the works.
Apart from supporting multiple desktops, and a feature similar to Aero snap:
http://linuxology.wordpress.com/2009/12/08/yes-we-can-kde-aero-snap...
and desktop grouping:
http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/GroupingDesktop
KDE4 has innovative features such as activities:
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/how-to-use-kde-4-deskto...
which together make it the most advanced, flexible and useable desktop available today.
Edited 2011-05-27 03:11 UTC
RE: Still not 'ready for the desktop'
by Soulbender on Fri 27th May 2011 04:12
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Member since:2005-08-18
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KDE 4.7 B1 still suffers of BOTH Kwin and Plasma crashing upon shutdown. That just is no way an acceptable feature for a mainstream desktop environment. At least they seem to have fixed Kded4, which always got stuck into a infinite loop when Xorg was killed. I am yet to test whether they also fixed other Kded4 problems like ACPI Shutdown key causing a one-minute freeze of the system.