Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 29th May 2011 21:29 UTC, submitted by teigetje
Microsoft It turns out that a lot of people haven't been paying attention. Over the weekend, a story about how Microsoft is earning more from HTC's Android devices than from its own Windows Phone 7 sales spread all across the web, with surprised reactions everywhere. Anyone who has been paying attention to Microsoft's recent patent trolling regarding Android could've seen this coming.
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RE: One of the many reasons ...
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 29th May 2011 22:28 UTC in reply to "One of the many reasons ..."
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Well, playing devil's advocate here - can you really blame Microsoft for using a system that is fully legal and endorsed? I mean, Obama himself regularly holds speeches about protecting - and extending - the current system!

The sad part is - Microsoft doesn't need these tactics anymore. Windows 7 is a great product, the Xbox360 is good, Windows Server is very good competition for Linux on its own merits, and Windows Phone 7 is distinctive, highly unique, and truly innovative.

I'm getting the idea that people like Joe Belfiore and Steven Sinofsky (mark my words: Sinofsky will become the next CEO of Microsoft, after Windows 8 has been delivered) are regularly banging their heads against their desks when they read about the latest crazy legal antics from upper management - all that achieves is blemishes on perfectly fine products.

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Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

"...can you really blame Microsoft for using a system that is fully legal and endorsed?"

I think it should be customary that companies like Microsoft that have been convicted in the EU and US for monopoly abuse be kept on a short leash and a lot of these kinds of actions monitored closely.

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_xmv Member since:
2008-12-09

"...can you really blame Microsoft for using a system that is fully legal and endorsed?"

I think it should be customary that companies like Microsoft that have been convicted in the EU and US for monopoly abuse be kept on a short leash and a lot of these kinds of actions monitored closely.

theres nothing to be monitored. its fully, FULLY legal and you CAN abuse it in EVERY WAY.

That's the legal system that is broken with patents, not Microsoft. EVERY company takes advantage of it, if they can.

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stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

I agree with part of what you said.

Microsoft is shipping some of the best software they've ever released. But Microsoft won't be changing tactics anytime soon and I don't blame them. I would too if the competition was that far ahead.

Microsoft did the same things with the supposedly original xbox. Get it out there, learn the caveats and do better the next time.

It would be like if the Playstation 3 came out before the 360 with the same specs and microsoft sued them for using opengl instead of directxe.

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kristoph Member since:
2006-01-01

If it's perfectly legal why not do it? I mean, if they make good money from their current product AND they can make good money from licensing Android that seems like a big win for Microsoft shareholders (and, you know, they need all the wins they can get).

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Windows Server is very good competition for Linux on its own merits

I LOL'ed at that statement. Win2008 is a good product, but nowhere near a competitor to Linux.
Win2008 occupies a segment, the Microsoft product stack segment that is very big. But when it comes to selecting OS as a server, Windows Server is a non contender anywhere where Microsoft stack is not one of the prerequisites. That is an observation from the enterprise and startup company field. Even though MS is pushing for startup mindshare really hard. And that is exactly why Microsoft considers Linux a bigger threat than Apple.

Edited 2011-05-30 00:12 UTC

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ephracis Member since:
2007-09-23

Granted that Win Server isn't well suited for a web-, dns-, ftp-, etc server but when it comes to having a domain with shared resources such as printers and drives, managing user accounts, deploying software and restricting access to certain features in the workstation OS... Well then Active Directory along with stuff such as GPO is actually very efficient.

I have tried to find a good replacement for Active Directory on RedHat but I haven't found anything that is as good. To me the Linux alternatives feels a lot like NDS back in the days.

Then, you are talking about startups and they may not be the kind of businesses that needs to have a domain. But of all the larger places I've been to here in Sweden there's always been Windows Server with Active Directory and Exchange, while Linux and BSD is common on the more "hardcore" type of servers.

Just my experience...

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shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

Microsoft are too entrenched in their crooked practices. I doubt they suddenly will repent and will become decent. Unless something drastic will change there.

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toast88 Member since:
2009-09-23

Well, playing devil's advocate here - can you really blame Microsoft for using a system that is fully legal and endorsed?

Do you also think that it's okay when US companies use loopholes in the US tax law and move most of their financial assets overseas thus avoiding having to pay US taxes which is one of the reasons the US has a record debt of 14 Trillion US Dollars now?

There is something like business ethics and I expect big enterprises to respect those like I respect research ethics as a scientist by not making data up, not harming any other human being etc.

Ethics is an important factor of a sound society and if everybody starts kicking those values, it is certainly not inevitable that new conflicts will arise (like the Gulf war and the oil for example).

The sad part is - Microsoft doesn't need these tactics anymore.


Oh, yes, they seriously do.

Windows 7 is a great product


Windows hasn't essentially changed since Windows NT 3.5x, it still has the same problems it had back then which is what companies like Symantec and Kaspersky depend on to make their livings.

the Xbox360 is good


Agree, quite a success. Even though Nintendo sold way more Wii consoles. And the Xbox has had so many technical issues (Red ring of death), that one might think the hardware design was created by a bunch of amateurs. Microsoft is just able to compete in this market, because they simply have the money to buy technology and companies like Kinect.

Windows Server is very good competition for Linux on its own merits


The webservers of the internet run more than 75% Linux or Unix and 93% the top500 computers run Linux as well. Even in the embedded and now smartphone market, Linux is the dominating operating system. Microsoft can't really compete here anymore. Windows Server especially fails on really big hardware (80 cores) [1] (link in German, sorry).

and Windows Phone 7 is distinctive, highly unique, and truly innovative.


Come on, you sound like someone from their marketing division. Windows Phone 7 lacks a lot of features like multitasking, a modern and decent browser (note, they're still using something between IE6.0 and IE7.0 as their code base), a huge assortment of apps and many developers. According to latest Gartner studies, Microsoft has a market share of around 1.7% (IIRC), I don't know how anyone would consider that product successful. Yes, I know they're working on an update to bring all these features, but that won't come before next year IIRC.

I'm getting the idea that people like Joe Belfiore and Steven Sinofsky (mark my words: Sinofsky will become the next CEO of Microsoft, after Windows 8 has been delivered) are regularly banging their heads against their desks when they read about the latest crazy legal antics from upper management - all that achieves is blemishes on perfectly fine products.


And I am predicting that Microsoft is getting less and less important in the future. They have already lost leadership in all essential markets (servers, super computing, tablets, mobile phones, embedded) to the competition and it's just a matter of time when they will fall back on the desktop since most home users don't care what they surf the internet with and writing their documents with and so on. And companies like HP and DELL invest into alternative operating systems (webOS for HP, Ubuntu for DELL) or market their own (Chrome OS) which will weaken Microsoft's position in the desktop market further.

The PC market finally gets the competition back it once had in the 80ies which is a good thing in my opinion.

Adrian

[1] http://www.heise.de/ct/inhalt/2011/12/146/

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jbauer Member since:
2005-07-06

Windows hasn't essentially changed since Windows NT 3.5x, it still has the same problems it had back then which is what companies like Symantec and Kaspersky depend on to make their livings.


Well, Linux hasn't essentially changed since first created in 1991, it still has the same problems it had back then which is why only nerds and Microsoft haters want to use it.

See what I did there? We all can play bullshit games.

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molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

Well, playing devil's advocate here - can you really blame Microsoft for using a system that is fully legal and endorsed? I mean, Obama himself regularly holds speeches about protecting - and extending - the current system!


I understand what you try to say here, and I agree. But I think that you can blame Microsoft - not all companies compete using the broken patent system. Google comes to mind - have they sued anyone for competing products? You mentioned HTC before - I know they are not U.S. based, but since they are in the US market, they could sue as well if they chose to.

The sad part is - Microsoft doesn't need these tactics anymore. Windows 7 is a great product, the Xbox360 is good, Windows Server is very good competition for Linux on its own merits, and Windows Phone 7 is distinctive, highly unique, and truly innovative.p


Agreed completely. Forgot to mention MS Office. I've been a big OpenOffice (then Libre) proponent until I tried Office 2010. Came with my ep121 (the EeeSlate). Ad supported version. Decided to give it a try (after installing LibreOffice and using it for a few days). The difference is night and day - especially on a touch interface. But not only there - everything I used to do in LibreOffice takes half the steps in MS Office, and than there are lots of useful stuff that you can't simply do in Libre (text art, image editing within a document is way ahead in MS Office, no character recognition or Pen Tools whatsoever, paste options that makes editing articles a cinch). So I shelled out $150 for the Student & Home edition, and it was well worth it, every single cent (and the license allows me to install it on three different devices). The time and energy I save in the next few years worth far more than $150.

I'm getting the idea that people like Joe Belfiore and Steven Sinofsky (mark my words: Sinofsky will become the next CEO of Microsoft, after Windows 8 has been delivered) are regularly banging their heads against their desks when they read about the latest crazy legal antics from upper management - all that achieves is blemishes on perfectly fine products.


I'd love to know how you know that.

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MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

Well, playing devil's advocate here - can you really blame Microsoft for using a system that is fully legal and endorsed?


(*hm* I got the impression that you don't follow the same route of reasoning when Apple is mentioned, do you?)

Windows 7 is a great product


Well, beauty is only skin deep. Judging from the ugly file system "tricks" I've seen so far, MS still hasn't learned to stick to clean, simple and transparent concepts.

Windows Server is very good competition for Linux on its own merits


Only if you like to be chained in the MS software stack. Windows Server is still massively laking outside of pure MS environments.

Windows Phone 7 is distinctive


ACK. They didn't simply copy Apple.

highly unique


Somewhat different would be more to the point.

truly innovative


*LOL*


when they read about the latest crazy legal antics from upper management - all that achieves is blemishes on perfectly fine products.


*hm*
So MS has technical fine products but a crazy management. Sorry, no. Wake me up when those technical fine products are able to properly interoperate in a non MS world.

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