Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 29th May 2011 21:29 UTC, submitted by teigetje
Microsoft It turns out that a lot of people haven't been paying attention. Over the weekend, a story about how Microsoft is earning more from HTC's Android devices than from its own Windows Phone 7 sales spread all across the web, with surprised reactions everywhere. Anyone who has been paying attention to Microsoft's recent patent trolling regarding Android could've seen this coming.
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RE[2]: One of the many reasons ...
by toast88 on Mon 30th May 2011 07:03 UTC in reply to "RE: One of the many reasons ..."
toast88
Member since:
2009-09-23

Well, playing devil's advocate here - can you really blame Microsoft for using a system that is fully legal and endorsed?

Do you also think that it's okay when US companies use loopholes in the US tax law and move most of their financial assets overseas thus avoiding having to pay US taxes which is one of the reasons the US has a record debt of 14 Trillion US Dollars now?

There is something like business ethics and I expect big enterprises to respect those like I respect research ethics as a scientist by not making data up, not harming any other human being etc.

Ethics is an important factor of a sound society and if everybody starts kicking those values, it is certainly not inevitable that new conflicts will arise (like the Gulf war and the oil for example).

The sad part is - Microsoft doesn't need these tactics anymore.


Oh, yes, they seriously do.

Windows 7 is a great product


Windows hasn't essentially changed since Windows NT 3.5x, it still has the same problems it had back then which is what companies like Symantec and Kaspersky depend on to make their livings.

the Xbox360 is good


Agree, quite a success. Even though Nintendo sold way more Wii consoles. And the Xbox has had so many technical issues (Red ring of death), that one might think the hardware design was created by a bunch of amateurs. Microsoft is just able to compete in this market, because they simply have the money to buy technology and companies like Kinect.

Windows Server is very good competition for Linux on its own merits


The webservers of the internet run more than 75% Linux or Unix and 93% the top500 computers run Linux as well. Even in the embedded and now smartphone market, Linux is the dominating operating system. Microsoft can't really compete here anymore. Windows Server especially fails on really big hardware (80 cores) [1] (link in German, sorry).

and Windows Phone 7 is distinctive, highly unique, and truly innovative.


Come on, you sound like someone from their marketing division. Windows Phone 7 lacks a lot of features like multitasking, a modern and decent browser (note, they're still using something between IE6.0 and IE7.0 as their code base), a huge assortment of apps and many developers. According to latest Gartner studies, Microsoft has a market share of around 1.7% (IIRC), I don't know how anyone would consider that product successful. Yes, I know they're working on an update to bring all these features, but that won't come before next year IIRC.

I'm getting the idea that people like Joe Belfiore and Steven Sinofsky (mark my words: Sinofsky will become the next CEO of Microsoft, after Windows 8 has been delivered) are regularly banging their heads against their desks when they read about the latest crazy legal antics from upper management - all that achieves is blemishes on perfectly fine products.


And I am predicting that Microsoft is getting less and less important in the future. They have already lost leadership in all essential markets (servers, super computing, tablets, mobile phones, embedded) to the competition and it's just a matter of time when they will fall back on the desktop since most home users don't care what they surf the internet with and writing their documents with and so on. And companies like HP and DELL invest into alternative operating systems (webOS for HP, Ubuntu for DELL) or market their own (Chrome OS) which will weaken Microsoft's position in the desktop market further.

The PC market finally gets the competition back it once had in the 80ies which is a good thing in my opinion.

Adrian

[1] http://www.heise.de/ct/inhalt/2011/12/146/

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jbauer Member since:
2005-07-06

Windows hasn't essentially changed since Windows NT 3.5x, it still has the same problems it had back then which is what companies like Symantec and Kaspersky depend on to make their livings.


Well, Linux hasn't essentially changed since first created in 1991, it still has the same problems it had back then which is why only nerds and Microsoft haters want to use it.

See what I did there? We all can play bullshit games.

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bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

Linux is a simple design, its based on unix which is also a simple design...

Windows is _NOT_ a simple design, some say it was intentionally made over complicated and convoluted to prevent a repeat of the clones which were made of dos. The problems with such a complicated system are many, you have many complicated parts interdependent on each other which makes it very hard to update without breaking things (see the delays and being forced to start over with vista), you have security flaws embedded deep in the design which cannot be overcome without breaking compatibility (google: pass the hash), and the complexity often results in laziness (eg the permissions model for drivers is very complex so many third party drivers don't use it, on linux the permission model for drivers is the same as that for files - set permissions on /dev/whatever... and don't forget all the apps which wont run as non admin, or need nasty hacks to do so).

Keeping it simple is a great principle.

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