Linked by Howard Fosdick on Mon 30th May 2011 22:04 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Canonical Ltd., the company behind Ubuntu Linux, estimates that the product has over 12 million users worldwide. And why not? Ubuntu is free and it runs more than ten thousand applications. It has a vibrant user community, websites covering everything you might ever need to know, good tutorials, a paid support option, and more. Yet I often hear friends and co-workers casually criticize Ubuntu. Perhaps this the price of success. Or is it? In this article I'll analyze common criticisms and try to sort fact from fiction.
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RE[2]: Yeah right
by SteveB on Tue 31st May 2011 10:24 UTC in reply to "RE: Yeah right"
SteveB
Member since:
2005-07-10

We use Lotus Notes and everybody hates it.

Because? Is it because it is not Outlook? Long ago when everyone and his dog was using Windows and Outlook Express at home then everyone hated this bloated IBM Lotus Notes. Now the time has changed and everyone and his dog has a iPhone and people started to use Mac OS X at home. Can you imagine that now people start to hate Outlook? Now you hear stuff like: "It is not so intuitive like Mail.App. It is not so logic like the Mac. On the Mac things just work. etc". It's human nature to nag around. But from the business perspective this all does not count much. IBM Lotus Domino/Notes delivers the functionality (and more) that the combo Exchange/Outlook offers too. That's all what counts. If you do IT for so long as I do then you will realize that users always complain. They hate SAP, they hate Oracle, they hate Office, they hate their old IE, they hate their work, they hate to pay taxes, they hate traffic jam, they hate the weather, etc...


Yes, there is an Ubuntu package for Lotus Notes. However Notes won't work. You manually need to google and download some library files. Keep those files save, because if you either upgrade/patch Notes or Ubuntu your Notes will be broken again.

This is the job of the IT professionals in your company. They do all this stuff. And don't think that such work is not needed on Windows too.

And that's Notes on a *supported* platform for you.

It is supported. I personally would make some things different but I am not IBM.

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RE[3]: Yeah right
by MOS6510 on Tue 31st May 2011 12:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah right"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

It is supported, but they can't make an installer that installs a working client. It works on Windows and OS X.

The Windows version also has its share of problems. A number of people use Outlook (which I don't like/use) and a Domino connector. This makes their Outlook crash 3 times a day and force them to reboot their PC. They rather do this than use Notes.

There is a lot not to like about Notes, but I only have 6000 characters left. If you forget about everything there is to dislike about Notes you're still left with a bloated product. People here only use it for email and some the calendar function. Not even the todo. For this Notes is overkill, beyond it even.

If one would use Notes what it is intended for it is probably something wonderful.

I'm in the proces now of convincing our parent company to allow us to get rid of Notes and Domino.

Notes is the first and only thing new users complain about. When I need to do a quick mail I sometimes revert to my private mail client as it's a lot snappier.

Outlook 2010 isn't a diamond either, but at least it's a true email client. Well, intended to be one.

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RE[4]: Yeah right
by SteveB on Tue 31st May 2011 13:03 in reply to "RE[3]: Yeah right"
SteveB Member since:
2005-07-10

It is supported, but they can't make an installer that installs a working client. It works on Windows and OS X.

Well... don't force me to go into DEB packaging issues.


The Windows version also has its share of problems. A number of people use Outlook (which I don't like/use) and a Domino connector. This makes their Outlook crash 3 times a day and force them to reboot their PC. They rather do this than use Notes.

LOL. A crashing Outlook makes them to reboot their OS? This speaks for the quality of the OS. Sorry. But no client application should that easy and constantly be able to knock down a OS.


There is a lot not to like about Notes, but I only have 6000 characters left. If you forget about everything there is to dislike about Notes you're still left with a bloated product. People here only use it for email and some the calendar function. Not even the todo. For this Notes is overkill, beyond it even.

So you got a wonderful application and application server that allows you to build easy rich applications, etc and you just use the email part (which is just an application on top of Domino) and based on those problems you have there you say Notes is a problem. Funny.

So if you use Opera/Chrome/FireFox/Safari/etc and you use a web application (for example Google Mail or Microsoft Hotmail) and you have problems with them then the problem is not the application but the browser.


If one would use Notes what it is intended for it is probably something wonderful.

I'm in the proces now of convincing our parent company to allow us to get rid of Notes and Domino.

Notes is the first and only thing new users complain about. When I need to do a quick mail I sometimes revert to my private mail client as it's a lot snappier.

Outlook 2010 isn't a diamond either, but at least it's a true email client. Well, intended to be one.

Notes can do way way more than Outlook. But if you just need Mail then Notes is an overkill. Even Outlook is an overkill. For mail you could use a gazillion of other applications that are faster, better, etc. If you need Calendaring and Scheduling then Outlook is fine.

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RE[3]: Yeah right
by Halo on Tue 31st May 2011 18:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah right"
Halo Member since:
2009-02-10

Because? Is it because it is not Outlook? Long ago when everyone and his dog was using Windows and Outlook Express at home then everyone hated this bloated IBM Lotus Notes.

That's not how I remember it.

Rather, there was a time when everyone was using Lotus Notes. Notes, however, was a notorious UI nightmare (see http://bible2.net/content/_media/download/apps/notes/screenshotr7.j...). That's a major reason why Microsoft managed to gain marketshare: Outlook's interface was much more intuitive and sane compred to the Notes UI disaster.

Recent versions of Lotus Notes are supposed to be much better, but let's not rewrite history.

Edited 2011-05-31 18:28 UTC

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RE[4]: Yeah right
by SteveB on Wed 1st Jun 2011 19:21 in reply to "RE[3]: Yeah right"
SteveB Member since:
2005-07-10

Recent versions of Lotus Notes are supposed to be much better, but let's not rewrite history.

Recent versions of Lotus Notes are much better.

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