Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 1st Jun 2011 22:38 UTC
Internet & Networking Because OSNews is technically a site from the US, and because the technology industry is decidedly a US-centric industry, we often talk about US politics having adverse effects on technology - or, the other way around. That's why I've been detailing the political movements here in The Netherlands with regards to net neutrality. After a lot of positive news, I've now got some bad news - bad news that involves the largest political party trying to block net neutrality - because one of its members of parliament, Afke Schaart, is a former KPN employee. And yes, KPN is the carrier that first announced it was going to block and throttle traffic.
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Berend de Boer
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2005-10-19

I'm sure there won't a free market in the Netherlands if its citizens don't desire it. That's a given.

Laws work two ways Tom.

If the Dutch wanted it, there would be a 4th provider. But bet that it is illegal to start your own telecom company in The Netherlands? Probably heavily regulated, eh?

There you go. That's the answer why telecom companies can do this kind of thing. Because you already don't have a free market.

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AnyoneEB Member since:
2008-10-26

I admit a lack of knowledge about Dutch politics, but I assume there are only 3 carriers less due to regulations and more due to the market only being able to support a small number of cell carriers in part due to the large start-up infrastructure costs of building a cell network. See: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Natural_monopoly

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

I'm sure there won't a free market in the Netherlands if its citizens don't desire it. That's a given.

Amen to the Market God.

If the Dutch wanted it, there would be a 4th provider. But bet that it is illegal to start your own telecom company in The Netherlands? Probably heavily regulated, eh?

If it's like in France, where it's easy to create a landline ISP and hard to create a mobile ISP, the reason is simple : the part of the electromagnetic spectrum which is used by mobile carriers is a limited resource. Free market only works well with resources which are in infinite supply.

Edited 2011-06-02 07:22 UTC

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jhodapp Member since:
2009-11-24

"I'm sure there won't a free market in the Netherlands if its citizens don't desire it. That's a given.

Amen to the Market God.

If the Dutch wanted it, there would be a 4th provider. But bet that it is illegal to start your own telecom company in The Netherlands? Probably heavily regulated, eh?

If it's like in France, where it's easy to create a landline ISP and hard to create a mobile ISP, the reason is simple : the part of the electromagnetic spectrum which is used by mobile carriers is a limited resource. Free market only works well with resources which are in infinite supply.
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You are naive in your knowledge of economics and free markets. No it is not a free market is The Netherlands, nor is any utility by definition, but it's precisely in markets (all markets) where resources are not infinite that markets work well. There is no such thing as infinite supply; all goods and services are by definition scarce and limited. If goods and services were infinite, then politicians could centrally distribute these things and nobody would be worse off because of it (i.e. there would no longer be any trade-offs inherent in this situation).

From Wikipedia: "Microeconomics (from Greek prefix micro- meaning "small" + "economics") is a branch of economics that studies the behavior of how the individual modern household and firms make decisions to allocate limited resources." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-economics

Instead of fixing the results of failed regulation in creating these natural monopolies with high barriers to entry by creating more regulation, the government should be trying to lower the barriers to entry in this market to help foster increased competition. Instead, net neutrality (a terrible name, it won't be neutral, it will just be whatever the government dictates) will increase the costs of being an ISP which will get shifted to the customers. It happens in every market that a government gets involved in. Please educate yourself on the subject of economics before you go criticising a subject you clearly know very little about.

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