Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 00:39 UTC
Windows It's 2am here (edit: I'm done writing, it's 2:38am now), and I really ought to be sleeping right about now, but for some stupid arbitrary reason, the D9 conference is held at honestly irresponsible hours for us Europeans (and we rock, damnit). So, here I am, MacBook Air on my lap, camomile tea (the Empress of Teas) in my cup, because Microsoft just had to show Windows 8's new interface for the first time at this ungodly hour. Oh, and they unveiled some more interesting stuff about Windows 8. Update: The videos from D9 are up. Mossberg talking to Steve Sinofsky, and the Windows 8 demonstration by Larson-Green.
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RE[4]: Not my thing on a desktop
by andih on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 23:34 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Not my thing on a desktop"
andih
Member since:
2010-03-27

Lucas, its a matter of taste it seems. What I loathe, you seem to enjoy...
While you are happy with hardware acceleration on aero, I think needing HW acceleration for a UI shouldn’t be necessary at all. I see it as a major design flaw and bloat.

While you update your programs (ninite can be your friend here btw), MSE, defragging, scanning, indexing.., I can do things that are actually useful, instead of "useful" things that are artificially constructed by MS, what you seem to think of as features..
An example:
I don not see automated defragging when idle as a feature.. I see it as a design flaw that MS tries to hide adding bloat and complexity the OS.., not a feature.

I install, fix and maintain windows computers for a living, so I know my way around windows systems too.. Although I could never depend on a windows computer for own use.. For my needs, Windows is simply not complying.

I'm not defending gnome by the way.. Gconf can be a handful, no doubt about that. Gnome is bloat too imho.
I dont use gnome myself, but I use it for setting up computers for noobs and for those who like overlapping windows. It works until HW failure, unlike most windows systems.

These are only any good if you actually organise your Windows

If I did understand you correctly: You have clearly no idea how tiling works. With tiling you don’t have to organize your windows.. that’s the whole point with tiling. ;) No need to "mousing" around.

MSE has pretty much buggar all overhead.

Need for running MSE is still bloat ... The whole anti-virus business is alive, just because of all the weaknesses is windows... debate lol ;)

Good for you that you don't install spyware.
Everyone is not as smart as you ;)

They are only run on occasion rather infrequently ... so what is the problem exactly?

I was listing bloat, not problems. Its still bloat and ideally it would not be unnecessary.

Design flaw having every program running its updaters
-Only if you let them.

Still bloat.
Ninite is here to help. Ninite makes windows suck less :p

Casual users would normally be better off with a well set up linux system. hardcore gamers should still stick with windows for directX (or/and buy a console?).

Advanced users should check out other alternatives instead of blindly swallow everything that comes from MS, usually there is alternatives that would suite ones needs much much better than Windows, one just have to go discovering it.. nothing to do with pretending to be l33t.
When you discover it, you will probably wonder how you could put up with all that crap for so long.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

While you are happy with hardware acceleration on aero, I think needing HW acceleration for a UI shouldn’t be necessary at all. I see it as a major design flaw and bloat.


How dare we use our Hardware to make out computer faster by using the really fast 3d accelerator card.

While you update your programs (ninite can be your friend here btw), MSE, defragging, scanning, indexing.., I can do things that are actually useful, instead of "useful" things that are artificially constructed by MS, what you seem to think of as features..


I write code for a living, I rarely have to do much in "housekeeping" with Windows. I just use it.

I don not see automated defragging when idle as a feature.. I see it as a design flaw that MS tries to hide adding bloat and complexity the OS.., not a feature.


I don't care whether it is a design flaw or not ... I don't notice it happening, and I can carrying on working.

I install, fix and maintain windows computers for a living, so I know my way around windows systems too.. Although I could never depend on a windows computer for own use.. For my needs, Windows is simply not complying.


Good for you. I find Windows is perfect for my needs. I spend less time housekeeping and more time working and using my computer.

I dont use gnome myself, but I use it for setting up computers for noobs and for those who like overlapping windows. It works until HW failure, unlike most windows systems.


Elitism again ... Also Windows doesn't just randomly break. The only time I have had Windows break ... is ironically when I installed Linux and it killed my bootloader or HW failure.

These are only any good if you actually organise If I did understand you correctly: You have clearly no idea how tiling works. With tiling you don’t have to organize your windows.. that’s the whole point with tiling. ;) No need to "mousing" around.


I know how tiling works, I just don't care.

Need for running MSE is still bloat ... The whole anti-virus business is alive, just because of all the weaknesses is windows... debate lol ;)


Unfortunately the same features that make Windows great for running hundreds of programs is the exact same features that make it great for malware ... as I keep on saying user education is the key to security.

Good for you that you don't install spyware.
Everyone is not as smart as you ;)


I have always said that user education is the key to security.

I was listing bloat, not problems. Its still bloat and ideally it would not be unnecessary.


Enough with this bloat rubbish ... Nobody cares anymore, even the cheapest Laptops and desktops come with multi-core-multi-GHZ processors and thousands of megabytes of ram ... it is a non-issue these days.

If you are complaining about "bloat" then apparently it is a problem to you and I was outlining why it really isn't.

Casual users would normally be better off with a well set up linux system. hardcore gamers should still stick with windows for directX (or/and buy a console?)


No they wouldn't when they update the system and something breaks (which is does frequently), they will have a computer they can't use. If they want to install some software for a third party device they have bought it won't work because most software is written for Windows or Mac ... People will just get frustrated and ask for Windows.

Advanced users should check out other alternatives instead of blindly swallow everything that comes from MS, usually there is alternatives that would suite ones needs much much better than Windows, one just have to go discovering it.. nothing to do with pretending to be l33t.


I have checked out the alternatives, I have used Redhat, Suse, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris, IRIX etc ... and I chose Windows ... and I am pretty good on a Unix command prompt.

When you discover it, you will probably wonder how you could put up with all that crap for so long.


Elistism again. I used to admin Linux ... and I hate them.

I have used pretty much everything. I just can't be arsed messing about configuring crap anymore with text files (I do enough of that for a living) or messing about with software repos to install 3d drivers or any of the other crap that I had to do over the years to have a working Linux system.

I used to spend more time housekeeping than actually working when I used to muck about with Linux and you know .... I am just too lazy and fed up of it.

Edited 2011-06-03 10:34 UTC

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

Nice long post some interesting points - but if you think Vista is a good OS how can we take anything you say seriously.

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