Linked by lemur2 on Fri 3rd Jun 2011 22:24 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Netbook innovator Asustek has announced that it will ship three models of its Eee PC with Ubuntu 10.10 preinstalled. Canonical announced Asus' decision to load the Eee PC 1001PXD, 1011PX and 1015PX with Ubuntu 10.10 from 1 June as one that will "make it one of the most user-friendly PCs on the market". Asus said that "many more" Eee PC models running Ubuntu will be available later this year. Linux fans will hope that in the three years since Asus started shipping Linux on its Eee PCs users will have realised that Linux is far more lightweight and suited to netbook computing than Windows.
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the problem is ...
by silix on Sat 4th Jun 2011 11:49 UTC
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2006-03-01

that 10.10 is what Asus may preinstall now because of stability and all, but it's not necessarily what users will have on their EEE's in a few months - thanks to automatic whole-distribution updates and the fact that it's not an LTS
Asus better hope that Ubuntu doesn't Karmic again on them - the kernel panic when Alt-F2'ing to disable the internal wireless was already almost inconceivable in a self respecting *non beta* relase ... but the official developers' position ("we wont' take time to merge the [already made and merged upstream] fix to this [long known] bug in our kernel, since it'd involve a freeze and the risk of missing the release deadline"... seriously , releasing day X was more important than releasing stable SW... WTH) was seriously unexcusable

moreover, most netbook buyers view them as normal laptops, just smaller, capable of running the same applications (which in turn are well beyond those for mere web browsing) and OTOH most applications a PC user has or needs are for windows
so the reality is sooner or later they'll need a windows license on their netbooks too, anyway
but last time i checked, a single OEM license for windows your local retailer could give you with a new pc or piece of HW was priced around 80 €, but thanks to the high volumes and economies of scales account for just 15-20 € on a laptop or netbook (in practice, the one between a 200-250 € Atom n450 with W7 and a ca. 300-350 € N550 dual core Atom - again with W7 - is more relevant a price differenze - with the advantages that result from already having 7)

and i'd like to see proof that Ubuntu is "far more lightweight" than windows, when it really feels sluggish on any configuration below a Pentium 4 - and no, please dont post any of those "Phoronix test suite" crap...
desktop is all about user interaction, look and feel and responsiveness: the correct method to evaluate them in an unambiguous form would be to simulate a series of use cases (eg "the user is now trying to interactively perspectively adjust and resize the picture in the GIMP by dragging the handle") in common *desktop* (meaning interactive GUI) applications (like, a word processor or an image editor) giving realistic data sets
and measure not only the time it takes to apply a gaussian blur, but the actual delay between a simulated user input and the effect on the gui - the higher this latency the more likely sluggishness using that application on that desktop
of course this means automating common applications injecting events and checking when the window, menu or toolbar has been updated, of course it is complex and may not be possible with current frameworks, toolkits and tools
but please, PLEASE, dont' think that a bunch of batch tasks is a realistic benchmark for anything regarding desktop interactivity, if anything they represent all that goes by the definition of non-interactive

Edited 2011-06-04 12:09 UTC

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RE: the problem is ...
by vivainio on Sat 4th Jun 2011 15:03 in reply to "the problem is ..."
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

moreover, most netbook buyers view them as normal laptops, just smaller, capable of running the same applications (which in turn are well beyond those for mere web browsing) and OTOH most applications a PC user has or needs are for windows
so the reality is sooner or later they'll need a windows license on their netbooks too, anyway


You hear that a lot, but I don't believe it.

People that buy netbooks usually have another computer already that they use for "real work". If that real work involves windows, the computer will have windows.

Netbook is something that sits in the living room for casual browsing. Linux can do that job better than windows (mostly because it doesn't require virus scanners that kill the performance on low end hardware).

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RE[2]: the problem is ...
by Neolander on Sat 4th Jun 2011 16:02 in reply to "RE: the problem is ..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Hmmm, where I live I also see people use them at work, typically as a Powerpoint-projector interface.

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RE[2]: the problem is ...
by silix on Sun 5th Jun 2011 22:50 in reply to "RE: the problem is ..."
silix Member since:
2006-03-01

People that buy netbooks usually have another computer already that they use for "real work".
[...]
Netbook is something that sits in the living room for casual browsing.
not always.
in fact, each and every person i know who considered getting a netbook, was going to use it as his/her *first* (yes, there exist professionals who have successfully managed to get their job done with just pen and paper till just yesterday) or anyway main, pc (a netbook, oh so compact, oh so portable, oh so cheap, would have been an ideal foray into IT for a doctor, lawyer or accountant with work to do, possibly on the go);
and either scrapped the netbook for a pentium T / i3 laptop after some months, or scrapped the idea and went for the laptop directly;
apparently, some types of people aren't so keen with having one machine for each task... like they have one office, one desk, one armchair, one photocopier, one dvd player, etc, they also see the PC as something of which to have just one, as versatile as possible

Edited 2011-06-05 22:52 UTC

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