Linked by lemur2 on Fri 3rd Jun 2011 22:24 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Netbook innovator Asustek has announced that it will ship three models of its Eee PC with Ubuntu 10.10 preinstalled. Canonical announced Asus' decision to load the Eee PC 1001PXD, 1011PX and 1015PX with Ubuntu 10.10 from 1 June as one that will "make it one of the most user-friendly PCs on the market". Asus said that "many more" Eee PC models running Ubuntu will be available later this year. Linux fans will hope that in the three years since Asus started shipping Linux on its Eee PCs users will have realised that Linux is far more lightweight and suited to netbook computing than Windows.
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lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

I suspect that most people buying Netbooks aren't doing so for productivity. It sounds like Netbooks in general aren't very good for productivity.


Exactly. This thread, and my original challenge to you, is/was about netbooks. There is no reason at all (productivity included) why someone should not get at least as much utility out of their netbook with Linux as with Windows as the OS. Considering that netbooks are often purchased because the buyer is price concious, this means that the Linux option is actually far better for most netbook buyers.

As for alternative applications: What percentage of people use OpenOffice vs Microsoft Office? How many people are trained to use OpenOffice? How many employers are asking for people certified in OpenOffice? I would ask this same question for all productivity applications/suites available on Desktop Linux.


This is simply prejudice on your part. Over a year ago a survey determined (using a decent method) that OpenOffice was installed on between 10% to 20% of machines (depending on geographic location), including business machines.

The OpenOffice/LibreOffice UI is closer to what most people are used to/trained for than the ribbon UI.

LibreOffice 3.4 is out now.

http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/06/03/the-document-foundati...
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-4-new-features-and-fixes/

LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice that has collected a huge number of developers and is steaming ahead where OpenOffice has stalled. LibreOffice has removed most of the OpenOffice legacy cruft, and is sleek and responsive as a result, which is important on a netbook. This now is the competition to MS Office.

I can think of no area, for the scope of use on a netbook, where LibreOffice 3.4 would not be as "productive" on a netbook as MS OFFice.

Considering that netbook purchasers are likely to be price sensitive, and that MS Office could potentially double the cost of one's netbook, and LibreOffice can do everything one would want to do on a netbook just as well, yet LibreOffice adds $0 to the cost of the machine, your attempt to name MS Office as the "must have netbook application only available for Windows" is floundering desperately.

Edited 2011-06-06 02:08 UTC

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RichterKuato Member since:
2010-05-14

Me and Neolander were talking about productivity. How good are Tablets at productive tasks? How good is Desktop Linux at productive tasks? Generally speaking productive tasks are things you do for an employer, client or strategic partner.

Realistically, how can you expect most employees/businesses to get work done without Microsoft Office? The same can be asked of other industry standards.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Me and Neolander were talking about productivity. How good are Tablets at productive tasks? How good is Desktop Linux at productive tasks? Generally speaking productive tasks are things you do for an employer, client or strategic partner. Realistically, how can you expect most employees/businesses to get work done without Microsoft Office? The same can be asked of other industry standards.


Realistically, about 10% to 20% of businesses have already discovered that you can indeed get work done without Microsoft Office. Microsoft Office is not a standard, it is merely a commonly-used tool with a lot of mindshare. That does not make it a necessity, especially on a netbook.

Microsoft Office has a significant failing as well ... it has no effective support for interoperability. It has very poor handling (comapred to OpenOffice/LibreOffice) of legacy formats, its support of ISO standard ISO/IEC 26300:2006 (ODF 1.0) is abysmal, its support for ODF 1.2 is non-existant, as is its support for ISO/IEC 29500 Strict (it only really supports ISO/IEC 29500 transitional).

At last count, the "File Open" dialog box for LibreOffice/OpenOffice recognised 115 different office file formats. One hundred and fifteen. If you have a netbook out in the field and someone hands you a USB memory stick with a random document on it, generated from who knows where or when, you are far more likely to be able to open it in OpenOffice/LibreOffice.

Edited 2011-06-06 03:32 UTC

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Me and Neolander were talking about productivity. How good are Tablets at productive tasks? How good is Desktop Linux at productive tasks? Generally speaking productive tasks are things you do for an employer, client or strategic partner.
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I've managed fine for the last 5 years

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Realistically, how can you expect most employees/businesses to get work done without Microsoft Office? The same can be asked of other industry standards.

I know of a few companies that use OOo/LibreOffice instead of MS Office. Some of which don't even work in the IT sector so are staffed with completely IT illiterate staff, and yet they have coped just as well.

The problem with people like yourself is you're blinded by your own prejudice and fail to see just how capable competing platforms are. So you keep harping on about meaningless monopolies without ever discussing feature sets - let alone proving any point.

So I dare you to list one killer feature in MS Office that you use regularly and you believe does not work on OOo. Prove to us that companies /NEED/ MS Office.

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