Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 4th Jun 2011 23:39 UTC
Humor The German city of Hamburg will soon be getting one of the biggest Apple Stores in the world. Construction isn't complete yet, and a group of people calling themselves the '.WAV Collective' decided it was time for a practical joke. Posing as construction workers, they planted an interesting logo on the store's facade. In broad daylight. And they videotaped it.
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RE: Because...
by Neolander on Tue 7th Jun 2011 09:51 UTC in reply to "Because..."
Neolander
Member since:
2010-03-08

Globally I'd say that there's some hard truth within this post, but there's one thing which tickles me in your arguments.

no open source initiatives

No. Just no. Things like LLVM/Clang and Webkit are definitely bigger contributions to open-source projects than everything Microsoft has ever done. Even though Apple tend to spoil these with their terrible community management (e.g. : "Let's withold the GPLd Webkit source code just to piss off developers !")

Edited 2011-06-07 09:54 UTC

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RE[2]: Because...
by PrimalDK on Tue 7th Jun 2011 14:21 in reply to "RE: Because..."
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2005-07-12

Sure, if these had originated and been developed as in-house Apple initiatives, but they had/were not.

LLVM is another university project, whereas the Clang frontend is *sponsored* by Apple because Apple -- like most companies -- don't like the GPL. Red Hat also hosts a number of Linux kernel developers, but you'd be hard pressed to call Linux a "Red Hat Open-Source Project", wouldn't you?

Webkit isn't Apple's either. Ever heard of KDE? Of course you have.

Ever heard of Haskell? The main developer is paid by Microsoft, full time, no questions asked and no demands.

C# and the Common Language Runtime are ECMA standards, submitted by the big bad Redmond wolf for your pleasure, as witnessed in the Mono implementation, blown-up (unsubstantiated) controversy or not.

When you think of contributions to OSS, you probably want to think of the SUN, not the Apple.

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RE[3]: Because...
by Neolander on Tue 7th Jun 2011 15:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Because..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Sure, if these had originated and been developed as in-house Apple initiatives, but they had/were not.

LLVM is another university project, whereas the Clang frontend is *sponsored* by Apple because Apple -- like most companies -- don't like the GPL. Red Hat also hosts a number of Linux kernel developers, but you'd be hard pressed to call Linux a "Red Hat Open-Source Project", wouldn't you?

I'd definitely call Red Hat a significant open source contributor.

Webkit isn't Apple's either. Ever heard of KDE? Of course you have.

Yup, and I also have used KHTML in KDE 3.5, before it was turned into Webkit. Frankly, since Apple has added fundings and developers, the project has gone a very long way. Sure, Apple owes a lot to KHTML developers, but they also have brought some serious contribution on the table.

Ever heard of Haskell? The main developer is paid by Microsoft, full time, no questions asked and no demands.

I don't know much about Haskell. I know that it's a language with an unusual syntax (for someone coming from the imperative world) that is pretty good for implementing recursion-based algorithms, but I don't know how much traction it actually has, as an example.

C# and the Common Language Runtime are ECMA standards, submitted by the big bad Redmond wolf for your pleasure, as witnessed in the Mono implementation, blown-up (unsubstantiated) controversy or not.

While I agree that standardization is good for the language, I have no knowledge of Microsoft really putting a lot of weight behind the Mono project. To me, it was rather like Wine or ReactOS : the NT API is publicly known, but the projects both remain hackish reimplementations that would be patent-trolled to death by MS from the moment where they'd start to go harm their business.

See Java and the JVM : they're all quite standard, yet Oracle has gone amok against Dalvik...

When you think of contributions to OSS, you probably want to think of the SUN, not the Apple.

I definitely think that Sun has done much more for the open-source world than Apple and Microsoft combined.

Edited 2011-06-07 15:19 UTC

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