Linked by David Adams on Tue 7th Jun 2011 17:54 UTC
Editorial Bob Cringeley makes a bold statement in a blog post responding to Apple's iCloud announcement: "Jobs is going to sacrifice the Macintosh in order to kill Windows." He says, "The incumbent platform today is Windows because it is in Windows machines that nearly all of our data and our ability to use that data have been trapped. But the Apple announcement changes all that. Suddenly the competition isn't about platforms at all, but about data, with that data being crunched on a variety of platforms through the use of cheap downloaded apps."
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RE: huh????
by roverrobot on Tue 7th Jun 2011 18:53 UTC in reply to "huh????"
roverrobot
Member since:
2006-07-23

sticking apple, cheap and variety of platforms in one sentence?


Why not? how many companies provide a line of products from MP3 players, cellphones, tablets, notebooks, desktops, and servers?

The hardware may not be cheap, but once you own it, the software is very cheap. At least I don't need to spit out half a grand just to buy the OS and an office suit.

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RE[2]: huh????
by jgagnon on Tue 7th Jun 2011 19:12 in reply to "RE: huh????"
jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24

Why not? how many companies provide a line of products from MP3 players, cellphones, tablets, notebooks, desktops, and servers?


Sony provides all of those except cell phones (they might even make those in some markets, I'm not sure). They make many other products that Apple does not.

Microsoft is on all of those from the software level and has even made most of the hardware. They make many other products that Apple does not.

Motorola makes most of those, but I'm not sure about desktops and servers. They make many other products that Apple does not.

I could go on, but there are many other companies that have a MUCH wider list of products than Apple, so what's the point? I wish people would stop suggesting that Apple is somehow better or more original than every other company on the planet when every one of their products was built on the shoulders of giants, so to speak.

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RE[3]: huh????
by iarann on Tue 7th Jun 2011 19:37 in reply to "RE[2]: huh????"
iarann Member since:
2006-05-14

"Why not? how many companies provide a line of products from MP3 players, cellphones, tablets, notebooks, desktops, and servers?


Sony provides all of those except cell phones (they might even make those in some markets, I'm not sure). They make many other products that Apple does not.
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Sony does indeed provide cellphones, see the recently released Xperia Play for an example.

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RE[3]: huh????
by roverrobot on Tue 7th Jun 2011 23:53 in reply to "RE[2]: huh????"
roverrobot Member since:
2006-07-23

could go on, but there are many other companies that have a MUCH wider list of products than Apple, so what's the point? I wish people would stop suggesting that Apple is somehow better or more original than every other company on the planet when every one of their products was built on the shoulders of giants, so to speak.


You could go on and on, yet none of the companies in your list produce something that is even comparable to what iCloud provided: integration. These companies (less microsoft) provide individual devices, but apple to trying to provide a solution. That is where the revolution is.

I am not saying apple is original. Most of their best selling product are not. But why do they sell more than their original competitors? It is because they just take someone's idea and implement in a slick and smooth way. Apple product is always about user experience, even though apple tout them as original.

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RE[2]: huh????
by JAlexoid on Tue 7th Jun 2011 20:58 in reply to "RE: huh????"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

You, however, will spit out a few grand for hardware upgrades... There is actually 2 platforms in Apple land - iOS and Mac OSX. The products within those two platforms only vary in form factor.

PS: Welcome to 2011, Apple no longer sells server products.

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RE[3]: huh????
by roverrobot on Tue 7th Jun 2011 23:59 in reply to "RE[2]: huh????"
roverrobot Member since:
2006-07-23

You, however, will spit out a few grand for hardware upgrades...


a few grand? Are we living in the same world? I haven't seen an apple product that is "a few grand" more expensive than its competitors.

There is actually 2 platforms in Apple land - iOS and Mac OSX. The products within those two platforms only vary in form factor.


Only form factors? have you ever used these devices before making a comment? They have completely different emphasis on functionality, and completely different look and feel.

PS: Welcome to 2011, Apple no longer sells server products.


Yes you are right. Thanks for the correction. I meant workstations.

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RE[2]: huh????
by SterlingNorth on Wed 8th Jun 2011 01:38 in reply to "RE: huh????"
SterlingNorth Member since:
2006-02-21

No -- you just need to spit out one grand or more for the computer to run the OS on -- or over two grand over the life of a cell phone contract to get the "Oh, Wow!" subsidized price of $200 US.

The OS is cheap because you've already long subsidized the price of it on the hardware purchases.

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RE[3]: huh????
by Morgan on Wed 8th Jun 2011 08:32 in reply to "RE[2]: huh????"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

... over two grand over the life of a cell phone contract to get the "Oh, Wow!" subsidized price of $200 US.


I hear this argument a lot, but unless you have T-Mobile you won't pay any less per month whether you pay full price for the phone or the subsidized price, at least in the US. None of the other US carriers offer lower monthly payments for non-contract post-paid accounts. T-Mobile offers Even More Plus plans for those who bring their own unlocked phone to the carrier, or who prefer to pay full retail price and not be tied down, and the monthly savings are pretty good.

Granted, they took it off the website recently so you have to request it in-store or by phone, so it may be going away soon. If that happens there really is no reason not to get a subsidized phone since you'll pay the same monthly for the entire time you're with that carrier.

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RE[3]: huh????
by demetrioussharpe on Wed 8th Jun 2011 18:55 in reply to "RE[2]: huh????"
demetrioussharpe Member since:
2009-01-09

No -- you just need to spit out one grand or more for the computer to run the OS on -- or over two grand over the life of a cell phone contract to get the "Oh, Wow!" subsidized price of $200 US.

The OS is cheap because you've already long subsidized the price of it on the hardware purchases.


Considering how well they all work together, I fail to see the issue. If you can't afford it, then don't buy it, no one's forcing you. But the price has no baring on the performance, usability, or cohesiveness of Apple's products. This is a tech site, not a financial site. Money arguments mean little, it's the technology that's important.

And, before anyone attempts to wrongly call me a fanboy:

I'm typing this on a Toshiba laptop that's running Win7; to my right is a tower running PC-BSD; & behind me is an older system running eComstation 2.0. Though I've wanted an Apple for personal reasons, there's just no real reason for me to get one regardless of the cost.

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RE[2]: huh????
by unclefester on Wed 8th Jun 2011 07:57 in reply to "RE: huh????"
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2007-01-13

Samsung make just about every type of hardware imaginable including phones, computers, monitors, memory and hard drives. They also make TVs, refrigerators and washing machines!

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