Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2011 18:51 UTC
Internet & Networking It's official now. The signs had been there for a while now. While the west bangs on about the importance of freedom and democracy, they don't actually want anyone to have too much of it. The US, France, and the UK have jointly pretty much declared war on freedom on the web.
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Let's all panic!!!
by tensigh on Thu 9th Jun 2011 22:46 UTC
tensigh
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2011-06-01

...or maybe not. I read both articles and there are very few specifics. The US law would only block countries that have blatantly violated IP violations (read: software and entertainment piracy). Other than that, there are few details on what laws would be passed if any.

Let's also not forget that in the US in particular free speech advocates have a pretty loud voice so the idea that the US, the UK and France will "declare war" on free speech on the Internet is a stretch on par with the Beijing gymnastics team.

Let's save the alarm bells for when they're really warranted.

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RE: Let's all panic!!!
by David on Thu 9th Jun 2011 23:05 in reply to "Let's all panic!!!"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

Let's save the alarm bells for when they're really warranted.


I'm all for keeping a cool head, but sometimes if you wait too long to right the alarm bell, it's too late. With politics, it's a lot easier to pass a law than repeal one. Politicians are cowards, and if there's an early outcry they'll lose their confidence and disastrous legislation can be prevented.

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RE: Let's all panic!!!
by umccullough on Thu 9th Jun 2011 23:07 in reply to "Let's all panic!!!"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

The US law would only block countries that have blatantly violated IP violations (read: software and entertainment piracy). Other than that, there are few details on what laws would be passed if any.


I'm not sure if you noticed, but these violations are becoming increasingly ridiculous. To make it worse, "fair use" is slowly becoming non-existent, with DMCA takedowns being issued in order to censor free speech.

It's just a matter of time...

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RE: Let's all panic!!!
by marblesbot on Fri 10th Jun 2011 00:10 in reply to "Let's all panic!!!"
marblesbot Member since:
2009-12-25

You're the idiot that doesn't do anything in a neighborhood on fire because your house hasn't caught fire yet.

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RE[2]: Let's all panic!!!
by tensigh on Fri 10th Jun 2011 04:31 in reply to "RE: Let's all panic!!!"
tensigh Member since:
2011-06-01

No, I don't believe in calling the fire department when one kid lights off a firecracker.

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RE: Let's all panic!!!
by saynte on Fri 10th Jun 2011 01:19 in reply to "Let's all panic!!!"
saynte Member since:
2007-12-10

Thanks, I agree with you. Some countries declare that they're going to cooperate to police the web and suddenly the sky is falling. I don't understand.

I found many of the opinions in the article unrelated to the inciting event. It made it seem like the recent news limits freedom, which I can't see any facts to support.

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RE[2]: Let's all panic!!!
by marblesbot on Fri 10th Jun 2011 04:53 in reply to "RE: Let's all panic!!!"
marblesbot Member since:
2009-12-25

The need for governments to act proportionately in cyberspace and in accordance with national and international law

Why should the government have any role on the internet and the free speech on the internet?

The need for users of cyberspace to show tolerance and respect for diversity of language, culture and ideas

Oh, this one is always a good one. In the name of "fairness" to everybody, governments ALWAYS pick a favorite.

The need to respect individual rights of privacy and to provide proper protection to intellectual property

Providing protection ti IP should say it all, but I'll also add that when a government starts talking about rights of privacy, they're scheming.

The need for us all to work collectively to tackle the threat from criminals acting online

Really? This one's not self explanatory?

The promotion of a competitive environment which ensures a fair return on investment in network, services, and content

They want a fair return on their investment. That's called taxes. Tax the people who's money they spent making their investment. That's paying for the same thing twice. You're also paying a service provider for access, so that's really paying for it three times. And what services and content? I think that relates to the intellectual property.

Edited 2011-06-10 04:56 UTC

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RE: Let's all panic!!!
by olefiver on Fri 10th Jun 2011 13:04 in reply to "Let's all panic!!!"
olefiver Member since:
2008-04-04

The US law would only block countries that have blatantly violated IP violations (read: software and entertainment piracy).
Block countries?
You mean that if the US can confirm that norwegians pirate Hollywood movies, the US will block Norwegian internet?
In that case considering how much piracy originates from Russia and Brazil I smell a major international situation...

Please elaborate if I'm misunderstanding you.

Let's also not forget that in the US in particular free speech advocates have a pretty loud voice so the idea that the US, the UK and France will "declare war" on free speech on the Internet is a stretch on par with the Beijing gymnastics team.
Sure USA has many loud voiced free speech advocates, but both MPAA and RIAA got loud money.
Also consider the "Think of the children!" effect.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

It gets even more interesting; US networks are in the top five for originating spam and malware.

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