Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2011 18:51 UTC
Internet & Networking It's official now. The signs had been there for a while now. While the west bangs on about the importance of freedom and democracy, they don't actually want anyone to have too much of it. The US, France, and the UK have jointly pretty much declared war on freedom on the web.
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RE[3]: Goofy duffas.
by jabjoe on Fri 10th Jun 2011 15:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Goofy duffas."
jabjoe
Member since:
2009-05-06

You must be trolling. Nobody is arguing that child pornography is ok. But they are saying that it doesn't justify all actions. "Think of the children" or "to fight the terrorists" are used to justify taking freedoms away from all of us. How far towards a police state do you go in the name of these causes? Maybe, when everything is completely locked down you could fight the terrorists and child pornographers better. But those apparatus of state are near impossible to avoid being abused, and oh how they can/will/are be abused. Of course, none of this stuff will keep working. It would be a constant arms race with the state trying to forever lock things down as new ways pop up. It's a fool's folly with very dark political undertones. You want to force as little as possible underground (think failed alcohol prohibition experiment in the US). If not, the majority of people could end up aligned with those you are trying to fight. Fighting file sharing is the worse one because you really can't win and you just adding the resources of the massive, massive file sharing group against you. Forcing your file sharing teenagers on to darknets isn't any way of protecting them from the darker corners of the internet. After the Netherlands relatively sane drug policy, taking a relatively sane network policy doesn't surprise me.

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RE[4]: Goofy duffas.
by pantheraleo on Fri 10th Jun 2011 15:56 in reply to "RE[3]: Goofy duffas."
pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

You must be trolling.


I'm not trolling. I just don't know why he couldn't give a straight answer to what is a very straight forward question.

Fighting file sharing is the worse one because you really can't win and you just adding the resources of the massive, massive file sharing group against you.


If we allow file sharing of copyrighted material and don't prosecute it at all, it would be disastrous. I'm both a developer, and a published author. And I would simply stop doing both if file sharing were so rampant that I could't make any money doing them anymore. I'd love to do them both for free and simply give away my work. I really would. But unfortunately, those who think all software, music, etc. should be free don't seem to realize that housing and food is not free. If housing and food were free, I'd be more than happy to simply give away all my work. But again, if file sharing of copyrighted works were legal and was not subject to prosecution, pretty soon all the file sharers would find themselves with nothing to share when the game companies and such simply stopped creating new games because it was no longer profitable to do so.

Edited 2011-06-10 15:58 UTC

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RE[5]: Goofy duffas.
by jabjoe on Fri 10th Jun 2011 17:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Goofy duffas."
jabjoe Member since:
2009-05-06

Sorry, but it was a troll argument.

You may well be against file sharing, but I bet you have, or still do, do it. Even if you deny it, I probably won't believe you. It's sometimes hard not to when the legit stuff is broken with DRM. I know very few who can who don't file-share/copy ever. Which invalidates them arguing for the current system. Copyright is a massive bag of worms that needs carefully tackling. Large sections of populations break the existing laws, and the existing laws are at least often seen not to serve their purpose, which was to encourage innovation. Copyleft however, seems to be a good model for innovation. Scrapping copyright (and thus copyleft) isn't a solution I support, but I do think the whole thing needs looking at. Perhaps the best thing to do is change the term it applies, and certainly not by making it longer. I also wonder if it's right a lone photographer has the same copyright laws as a massive transnational corporation. It's a massive can of worms, but what we have is broken and the massive transnational corporations are pushing governments to maintain it or even break it further.

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RE[5]: Goofy duffas.
by jabbotts on Sat 11th Jun 2011 15:53 in reply to "RE[4]: Goofy duffas."
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Ah.. so it's not about child abuse, you just chose to bring that up out of the blue for laughs.

As for the use of DRM:

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/drm-is-counterproductive/...

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