Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2011 18:51 UTC
Internet & Networking It's official now. The signs had been there for a while now. While the west bangs on about the importance of freedom and democracy, they don't actually want anyone to have too much of it. The US, France, and the UK have jointly pretty much declared war on freedom on the web.
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RE[5]: Goofy duffas.
by jabjoe on Fri 10th Jun 2011 17:02 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Goofy duffas."
jabjoe
Member since:
2009-05-06

Sorry, but it was a troll argument.

You may well be against file sharing, but I bet you have, or still do, do it. Even if you deny it, I probably won't believe you. It's sometimes hard not to when the legit stuff is broken with DRM. I know very few who can who don't file-share/copy ever. Which invalidates them arguing for the current system. Copyright is a massive bag of worms that needs carefully tackling. Large sections of populations break the existing laws, and the existing laws are at least often seen not to serve their purpose, which was to encourage innovation. Copyleft however, seems to be a good model for innovation. Scrapping copyright (and thus copyleft) isn't a solution I support, but I do think the whole thing needs looking at. Perhaps the best thing to do is change the term it applies, and certainly not by making it longer. I also wonder if it's right a lone photographer has the same copyright laws as a massive transnational corporation. It's a massive can of worms, but what we have is broken and the massive transnational corporations are pushing governments to maintain it or even break it further.

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RE[6]: Goofy duffas.
by pantheraleo on Fri 10th Jun 2011 17:29 in reply to "RE[5]: Goofy duffas."
pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

Sorry, but it was a troll argument.


No, it was not.

You may well be against file sharing, but I bet you have, or still do, do it.


Nope. I don't. It's not my problem whether you believe me or not. All of my music is purchased from either iTunes or Amazon. All of the software I have is legitimately licensed, or is open source. And I don't download torrents of movies.

I know very few who can who don't file-share/copy ever.


Again, whether believe me or not. I'm telling you the truth. I don't file-share / copy unless it is something that I am legally entitled to copy. As an author and developer myself, I'd be shooting myself in the foot if I supported copyright infringement.

There are definitely some blatant attempts at abusing copyright law. I agree. I'm a member of the Author's Guild. But I strongly opposed their attempts at forcing public libraries to pay royalties each time they loan a book. I saw that as highly destructive because it would have forced a lot of public libraries to close (many of which already operate on shoe-string budgets). And ensuring the children and the under-privileged have access to quality reading materials is more important than making a few extra bucks off royalties.

I also strongly opposed their legal action against Amazon when they claimed the text to speech capabilities of the Kindle violated copyright law, since I believed making more reading material accessible to the blind trumped any copyright concerns that might exist. And it was difficult me to see how the text to speech would have been harmful anyway. After all, it would have made books that weren't currently accessible to the blind much more easily accessible, and probably helped, rather than harmed sales.

So yes, I agree that there are some blatant attempts at abusing copyright law out there. But I do not think Copyleft is the answer. Almost everything that is licensed under a copyleft license really isn't all that innovative. Most of the time it just duplicates the functionality, often in a half baked way, of existing commercial copyrighted solutions. There are a few exceptions, sure. But there are very few actual "copylefted" products out there that support the idea that it fosters innovation.

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RE[7]: Goofy duffas.
by jabjoe on Fri 10th Jun 2011 20:08 in reply to "RE[6]: Goofy duffas."
jabjoe Member since:
2009-05-06

Right..... You know you are using god knows how much copyleft software right now right? Linux might be a copy of Unix, but there is a lot of innovation going on there all the time. It's left the other Unix kernels way behind. Right now on the desktop GUI on Linux there is a lot of innovation. I think much of it is barking mad, but it's still innovation. There is loads that started in the free software world and was only noticed when the closed world repackaged it. Apple are masters at this. There is plenty of cases where the closed world is playing catch up with the open world. There is also some great stuff happening under Creative Commons (not least Wikipedia!). Jamendo is really cool. Where copyleft can't be competed with is in incremental improvement. The freedoms it gives ensure it can't be sat on to go stale. But there is still revolutions on something instead of evolution. It could well be where I'm looking, but it's plain copyright that seams to be where the stale stuff is. This is just beginning to leak out of computers into other fields. Exciting times. :-)

Edited 2011-06-10 20:08 UTC

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RE[6]: Goofy duffas.
by pantheraleo on Fri 10th Jun 2011 17:40 in reply to "RE[5]: Goofy duffas."
pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

Sorry, but it was a troll argument.

[q]You may well be against file sharing, but I bet you have, or still do, do it.


Ok. I take that back. There is one thing that I do that is technically a copyright violation. I download SNES ROMs. But given that the game publishers don't even sell those cartridges anymore, and I *can't* buy them, that's one of those areas where I think copyright law is abused. It's not hurting the publishers if I download the ROMs because they don't even sell them anymore. So it's not even possible for me to buy them from the publishers.

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RE[7]: Goofy duffas.
by jabjoe on Fri 10th Jun 2011 19:08 in reply to "RE[6]: Goofy duffas."
jabjoe Member since:
2009-05-06

I bet if you really think about there are other things too. It's quite hard not without crippling yourself.

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