Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Jun 2011 18:49 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption Oh boy, what do we make of this? We haven't paid that much attention to the whole thing as of yet, but with a recent public statement on why they do what they do, I think it's about time to address this thing. Yes, Lulz Security, the hacking group (or whatever they are) that's been causing quite a bit of amok on the web lately.
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RE[3]: Bah
by Doc Pain on Fri 17th Jun 2011 21:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Bah"
Doc Pain
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"Although I do not appreciate what LulzSec did, I may mention that they are in fact aware of the importance of security


Yeah, but that's like saying thieves reminds us about the importance of home security. I"m not going to go out and thank the guy for breaking in and stealing my stuff.
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Good comparison. Although the individual thiefs do not deserve any positive statement about what they do, their pure existence reminds us to maintain home security properly. On the other hand... if they would not eiixst, there would be no need for such security efforts. But in general, people aren't honest. Especially in regards of Internet relations where big companies and small criminals want to profit from you and your data, one should be aware of the pure fact that the Internet is full of evildoers who just seek for a chance to do harm to others, traditionally for profit, Doing it "for fun" doesn't make the situation better, but it may be interpreted as a "less criminal motivation", given that LulzSec's goal is to wake up people, as they do not profit from their actions themselves (in opposite to the "real criminals").

In the situation discussed, LulzSec isn't the thief per se. They just provide keys for your home (as you are "hiding" them right infront of your door). Then others take those secondary keys and come to steal your things. :-)

Edited 2011-06-17 21:50 UTC

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RE[4]: Bah
by Soulbender on Fri 17th Jun 2011 21:47 in reply to "RE[3]: Bah"
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given that LulzSec's goal is to wake up people, as they do not profit from their actions themselves (in opposite to the "real criminals").


But that's not their goal. It is, at best and if you believe them, to have fun. More likely the goal is to gain fame and recognition at the expense of others.
Not exactly gallant, that.

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RE[5]: Bah
by Doc Pain on Fri 17th Jun 2011 23:04 in reply to "RE[4]: Bah"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"given that LulzSec's goal is to wake up people, as they do not profit from their actions themselves (in opposite to the "real criminals").


But that's not their goal.
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Maybe I did use the wrong word. It's the effect, the possible result of their actions.

Users had a hard time learning to treat passwords like underwear, and they are constantly told to do so from one side, while the other side just says that "everything is 100 percent secure", leading to the assumtion that it's not worth caring about anything. And this attitude has developed into the mainstream state of mind for many Internet users. And as I said, it's not just the users, it's also the media and service providers who feel safe in their imaginary world of "everything being secure", exactly until this world is shaken, and as I also said, doing harm seems to be the only way to achieve that. Only if people loose money (as this is the means to identify who they are and what they are "worth" in many societies), followers of LulzSec use the results of the hacking, although primarily for their own benefit (instead of educating others).

It is, at best and if you believe them, to have fun.


I admit that I have a problem seeing the fun in that - if you want to understand fun as more than just pointing with a finger and saying "ha ha".

More likely the goal is to gain fame and recognition at the expense of others.


Well, I basically think so too. But still it's worth mentioning that many "famous names" have been gained on the expense of others, in widest context.

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