Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Jun 2011 20:14 UTC, submitted by vivainio
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia may have gone with Windows Phone 7 for its future smartphone operating system, but until then, we now have the Nokia N9 to look at. Yes, a beautiful, top-of-the-line Nokia smartphone which runs MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan - but isn't this thing kind of a dead end? Also announced: the even prettier Nokia N950 Meego 1.2 developer device - only available to a limited number of developers. Sure to become a collectors' item.
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Dead-end how-so?
by Not2Sure on Tue 21st Jun 2011 21:17 UTC
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2009-12-07

What exactly do you mean by dead-end?

That this was a false product announcment that will never see store shelves? I don't find that likely but Nokia never ceases to surprise.

That once launched this product will never receive updates OTA or via flasher? I also find that extremely unlikely but then again I could see Elop-esque tactics at work to ensure the death of the platform inside Nokia once and for all (ala "see meego hurts our customers time to circle the wagons on WP7 once and for all").

That there will be no apps created for the device? This I think might be arguable. I am certainly no longer interested in devoting developer hours to the platform after Nokia marketing execs pretty much straight-up lied to evangelists and developers. I gotta believe others share my feelings.

However, when it comes to the opportunity cost of not doing it if Nokia moves alot of these devices, it seems like the delta of getting a qt app from a symbian/Anna device like the N8 to this device is quite small. So to not do it would require some serious animus.

Still, the work involved in translating a more pure "symbian" app I would doubt anyone is going to sign up for. Time will tell.

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RE: Dead-end how-so?
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 21st Jun 2011 21:23 in reply to "Dead-end how-so?"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I think he means dead end as in, the first and last generally available device running Meego on Arm as a phone. None of that is official, but that seems to be the direction things are headed.

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RE[2]: Dead-end how-so?
by Not2Sure on Tue 21st Jun 2011 22:37 in reply to "RE: Dead-end how-so?"
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2009-12-07

In marketing speak, I think dead-end in that sense means, the culmination of years of engineering excellence! ;-)

It does bring up an interesting point though. I wonder how many people that are not Apple customers buy a phone based on the notion that there will be a next.x release of the same phone when either their contract expires or they next want to upgrade (in six months lol!)

I don't think brand loyalty really plays a significant role as it used to in consumer smartphone decisions. They seem to graivate to whatever is shiny at the moment, but I could be way out of touch. I own about 12 models so I'm not a good reference point ;)

Edited 2011-06-21 22:38 UTC

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RE[2]: Dead-end how-so?
by dsmogor on Wed 22nd Jun 2011 10:39 in reply to "RE: Dead-end how-so?"
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2005-09-01

Nothing was yet announced, but meego labbeled as system for "future disruption" will be kept around.
As for N9, if the get their act together and squash remaining bugs before release it might have a good chance to sell to nokia loyalist.
It just need to have better gui and basic functionality than Symbian, and from what I saw on the videos it does just that.

And if it sells well, there's a chance Nokia internal "own os" lobby will gain traction enough to revive the line.

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RE: Dead-end how-so?
by Praxis on Tue 21st Jun 2011 22:38 in reply to "Dead-end how-so?"
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2009-09-17

Its a dead end because Nokia execs keep calling it a dead end. All Elop has been saying is WP7 WP7 WP7 since February. He pretty much said that all of our products suck and WP7 is the future of the company. But oh by the way those aren't ready yet so please buy our symbian and meego phones, they are completely unrelated to WP7 and have incompatable app ecosystems but you should still buy them anyway for some reason.

I have no faith in Nokia's commitment to non-WP7 platforms, because the top brass of the company has shown nothing but disdain for them. All we've had saying otherwise are company blog posts from the QT, Meego and Symbian teams basically saying 'we aren't dead yet' and not much else. But really would they be allowed to say anything else. What will Nokia be saying once they finally ship a WP7 device and don't have to worry about killing interest in their other product lines anymore. It will take more than a token product release to fill a gaping hole in their release schudule for me to trust them again.

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RE[2]: Dead-end how-so?
by Not2Sure on Tue 21st Jun 2011 22:47 in reply to "RE: Dead-end how-so?"
Not2Sure Member since:
2009-12-07

Yeah I hear that.

But a profitable line of business is just that. Just because it will not be the "flagship" WP7 lineup, I would find it difficult to believe that Elop would be allowed by the Nokia board to simply jettison a profitable model and all the expertise and talent that goes along with it.

All that is predicated on the the N9 being a success of course. Who knows, but I'm like you I think in that I'm not sure I care anymore. Part of my attraction to Nokia in the spirit of competitiveness was always as an EU counterbalance to the Cupertino/Silicon Valley (all innovation happens here) mentality. I think that is pretty much gone from the corporate spirit regardless.

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RE[2]: Dead-end how-so?
by lemur2 on Wed 22nd Jun 2011 00:05 in reply to "RE: Dead-end how-so?"
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2007-02-17

All we've had saying otherwise are company blog posts from the QT, Meego and Symbian teams basically saying 'we aren't dead yet' and not much else.


Actually, there have been new releases of Qt and Meego since Nokia's WP7 announcement.

There is also the Calligra Active project, which is due for release in October, which uses QML and hence integrates with Meego. This project will deliver MS Office and OpenDocument (ODF) integration to non-WP7 mobiles (tablets and phones).

http://www.calligra-suite.org/news/calligra-announces-second-snapsh...
There is a video of it running here:
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2011/04/plasma-active-calligra-active.ht...
"The file format compatibility with Open Document Format and Microsoft's Office Open XML is some of the best to be found in a mobile form factor."

So, in truth, they really aren't dead yet.

But its mostly about the apps, and games, you can't forget the games because smartphone are primarly entertainment devices these days. But if developers doubt your commitment to the platform, why will they develop for it. Very few people will want a smartphone if it doesn't have the apps they are used to. Are many developers still interested in Meego know that they know Nokia won't be throwing all its muscle behind it. Its a side project at best now.


The development is covered by QML. QML apps will run on Meego and also on Android.

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/02/28/video-qt-for-android-comes-to-alp...

Demo:
http://www.meegoexperts.com/2010/12/super-mario-demo-pure-qml/

Tutorial:
http://qt.nokia.com/developer/learning/online/training/training-day...

Guide:
http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/08/12/a-guide-to-writing-games-with-q...

Enjoy.

Edited 2011-06-22 00:19 UTC

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RE: Dead-end how-so?
by Daniel Borgmann on Wed 22nd Jun 2011 14:05 in reply to "Dead-end how-so?"
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2005-07-08

However, when it comes to the opportunity cost of not doing it if Nokia moves alot of these devices, it seems like the delta of getting a qt app from a symbian/Anna device like the N8 to this device is quite small. So to not do it would require some serious animus.


Moreover, the N9 is likely to shift a respectable number. Write an application for it with Qt, and "downscaling" it to Nokia's other devices is fairly straight-forward.

This will give you a respectable market, that is also fairly untapped. Add to this that Qt's future in Nokia is really not that bleak, with S40 being thrown into the mix and who knows what else. Practically everything that is not served by WP will be Qt based. It may be unclear if there will be other high-end Nokia smartphones in the medium to distant future, but few people plan so far ahead anyways.

No, I don't see it's appstore ever rivalling the "big three". But I don't see it being a completely barren wasteland either.

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RE[2]: Dead-end how-so?
by vivainio on Wed 22nd Jun 2011 14:27 in reply to "RE: Dead-end how-so?"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

It may be unclear if there will be other high-end Nokia smartphones in the medium to distant future, but few people plan so far ahead anyways.


There are pretty well specced Symbian phones coming out as well.

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