Linked by Andrew Hudson on Mon 20th Jun 2011 17:19 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Haiku Alpha 3 has been in development for more than 14 months. In that time more than 800 bugs have been identified and fixed, major sections have been updated, applications have been added and updated, and great progress has been made in supporting additional hardware. Here is a summary of updates, more details can be found here. Also inside, interviews with some core Haiku developers.
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a decade too late
by TheGreatSudoku on Wed 22nd Jun 2011 19:59 UTC
TheGreatSudoku
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2009-07-28

I was an avid R5 user back in day, I loved BeOS then, but...

Haiku is a project geared at re-creating an operating system that is now a decade out of date. And it shows painfully when trying to use the alphas.

Try getting Bezilla installed, and if you do get it installed, try using it for more than 5 minutes.

Try viewing youtube videos. If you can get them to load at all, it looks like a sloppy hack job.

NetPositive was a useless, featureless browser. Why is so much effort being put into creating its successor, WebPositive? Porting Firefox or Chrome would seem like a better use of resources.

Back in 2000 BeOS was MUCH more user friendly and easier to use and install than Linux. Much has changed in the past 11 years. Linux is now easier to use than BeOS, wireless and graphics drivers "just work" out of the box. Getting working versions of Mozilla and VLC in linux is a much easier task than in Haiku. Not to mention eye candy like compositing window managers, and themes for the window manager that linux has that Haiku lacks.

These alpha releases would have been great in 2001-2002 right after Be shut down. But a decade has gone by and Haiku really shows it's age by being so rooted in recreating an R5 experience. And linux just keeps getting more user friendly. Gone are the days of having to edit config text files to get the X server up and running. BeOS was great BEACUSE of it's innovation. I'd much rather see Haiku continue in that spirit of innovating than trying to recreate an OS that is clearly out of date.

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RE: a decade too late
by umccullough on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 06:44 in reply to "a decade too late"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Try getting Bezilla installed, and if you do get it installed, try using it for more than 5 minutes.


No surprise that an abandoned browser project gives you trouble...

NetPositive was a useless, featureless browser. Why is so much effort being put into creating its successor, WebPositive? Porting Firefox or Chrome would seem like a better use of resources.


What leads you to believe that WebPositive is anything like NetPositive?

It's already got a webkit rendering engine and tabbed interface just like a modern browser - and it's just a barebones solution still.

Super troll-tastic of you there.

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RE: a decade too late
by v_bobok on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 07:53 in reply to "a decade too late"
v_bobok Member since:
2008-08-01

Sorry, too much trolling...

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RE: a decade too late
by clasqm on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 08:16 in reply to "a decade too late"
clasqm Member since:
2010-09-23

Haiku is a hobbyist OS. You don't like the way it deals with YouTube? Get in there and fix it. You don't like the appearance? Join the dev team, submit patches, get your hands dirty.

Haiku is not right now an OS for end-users. It may be one day, but right now it is for people who enjoy dealing with this sort of thing. And that is why the haiku devs are writing their own browser: it is an opportunity to learn, to know what it is like to create something from nothing.

If all one wanted was an operating system with good compatibility, lots of applications and a nostalgic BeOS look, well, there's ZevenOS. But where's the adventure in that?

I also feel sometimes that progress on Haiku is agonisingly slow. But there are only so many people with expertise at this level who are interested in helping out and I fully agree with their decision way back to focus on creating a fully stable BeOS clone before doing anything else. It stops the project being split apart by internal politics before they have a solid product out the door.

Mind you, if you look closely there are a few areas where they have not copied BeOS slavishly - you won't find that long list of obsolete 14400 modems anywhere!

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RE: a decade too late
by jonas.kirilla on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 20:01 in reply to "a decade too late"
jonas.kirilla Member since:
2005-07-11

Don't assume that we're not innovating, or that we're just happily indulging in BeOS-nostalga. Haiku may be labelled alpha but has already surpassed BeOS in a number of ways. I'm personally hopeful that e.g. package management and file content indexing will be part of the next alpha or beta release.

We're focused on pushing on with the alphas, betas and a solid Haiku Release 1, capable of running BeOS apps, but that's just a milestone, a waypoint. It will be very interesting to see how the project evolves after that, both the people and the product.

It will probably not be trivial to get *everyone* to commit to the same vision of a revolutionary Haiku R2 or R3, but there's no lack of ideas, wishlists and todo-lists. The project works, decisions do get done, it hasn't been 10 years of just replicating BeOS, mindlessly, not thinking. We have been through some, as a team, so I'm hopeful.

Edited 2011-06-23 20:17 UTC

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RE: a decade too late
by stippi on Fri 24th Jun 2011 15:35 in reply to "a decade too late"
stippi Member since:
2006-01-19

So basically you have heard Haiku is replicating BeOS. So it must be completely outdated. Have you looked closer at *anything* in Haiku?

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