Linked by lemur2 on Wed 22nd Jun 2011 22:30 UTC
Features, Office The Calligra Office Suite has announced its second snapshot release. The project, which is a fork of KOffice, is building a suite of productivity and creativity applications and is working towards its first formal end-user release due in October. The project is seeking feedback from end users particularly in the area of usability of the GUI. With this snapshot Calligra Office Words is claiming better compatibility with .docx than LibreOffice, and also claims to be approaching the best compatibility with legacy .doc formats.
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RE: holding things back
by Neolander on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 06:03 UTC in reply to "holding things back"
Neolander
Member since:
2010-03-08

Oh, and another thing which I don't understand : do people absolutely need to be able to edit your resume ? If not, why don't you use PDF ?

Personally, I hate it when people send me final versions of documents in the doc format. Not only is it almost guaranteed that the formatting will be messed up (even different versions of Office open different versions of doc differently), it also forces me to fire up an office suite and drill through its visually crowded interface when I could be enjoying the simple and fast interface of most PDF readers.

PDF is the right tool in this context, I think.

Edited 2011-06-23 06:26 UTC

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RE[2]: holding things back
by stabbyjones on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 06:47 in reply to "RE: holding things back"
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

People don't need to edit it, I do. I keep it up do date and export to PDF when I need to send it to someone.

My current version was built off a Word template given to me by a friend in recruiting about 4 years ago now. It looks great in Word but has never formatted correctly in OpenOffice or now Libre Office. That's why I want better conversion for old documents.

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RE[3]: holding things back
by Neolander on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 06:53 in reply to "RE[2]: holding things back"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Indeed, this is a valid use case ;) Although for something as short as a resume, I'd personally just redo the template once in OpenOffice, save it in doc 97, and be relatively happy with it forever. No need to keep broken documents around.

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RE[3]: holding things back
by _txf_ on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 19:30 in reply to "RE[2]: holding things back"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

<troll> real men use latex for true formatting simplicity</troll>

trolling aside, latex is quite good for documents that you don't have to share in an editable state.

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RE[2]: holding things back
by Laurence on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 11:25 in reply to "RE: holding things back"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Oh, and another thing which I don't understand : do people absolutely need to be able to edit your resume ? If not, why don't you use PDF ?

Personally, I hate it when people send me final versions of documents in the doc format. Not only is it almost guaranteed that the formatting will be messed up (even different versions of Office open different versions of doc differently), it also forces me to fire up an office suite and drill through its visually crowded interface when I could be enjoying the simple and fast interface of most PDF readers.

PDF is the right tool in this context, I think.

I agree with you in theory, however Job Agencies seem to need to edit it as everytime I sent them a PDF of my CV, I was asked to convert it as they couldn't edit it.

I'm not really sure the reasoning for this - I can only assume it's to do with how they store the data at their end. However it felt completely backwards to have TXT and RTF preferred over PDF.

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RE[3]: holding things back
by joekiser on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 12:40 in reply to "RE[2]: holding things back"
joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

"Oh, and another thing which I don't understand : do people absolutely need to be able to edit your resume ? If not, why don't you use PDF ?

Personally, I hate it when people send me final versions of documents in the doc format. Not only is it almost guaranteed that the formatting will be messed up (even different versions of Office open different versions of doc differently), it also forces me to fire up an office suite and drill through its visually crowded interface when I could be enjoying the simple and fast interface of most PDF readers.

PDF is the right tool in this context, I think.

I agree with you in theory, however Job Agencies seem to need to edit it as everytime I sent them a PDF of my CV, I was asked to convert it as they couldn't edit it.

I'm not really sure the reasoning for this - I can only assume it's to do with how they store the data at their end. However it felt completely backwards to have TXT and RTF preferred over PDF.
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Every recruiting firm I've dealt with use some kind of indexing software that allows keyword searches, but isn't compatible with PDF. I wonder if it's the same program. So I've always kept two resumes -- a multiple page, .doc formatted resume with loads of keywords based on a template a recruiter gave me for search engines, and then a clean single-page PDF for in-person interviews.

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RE[3]: holding things back
by bert64 on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 12:41 in reply to "RE[2]: holding things back"
bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

They will often alter your CV depending on the requirements of their client... Often if they don't have any suitable people on the books, they will modify someone's cv to make it look like it might match, thus you get the interview but flunk it badly.

Personally i wouldn't want a modified version of my CV being sent to anyone, it would just make me look bad... And head hunters can be extremely unscrupulous.

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RE[2]: holding things back
by tanishaj on Thu 23rd Jun 2011 15:35 in reply to "RE: holding things back"
tanishaj Member since:
2010-12-22

Oh, and another thing which I don't understand : do people absolutely need to be able to edit your resume ? If not, why don't you use PDF ?


I have not looked recently but my personal experience has certainly been that a lot of HR departments require resumes in Microsoft Word format (or even plain text).

A big part of this is just the non-technical and somewhat retarded culture of HR.

Another factor though is that these documents need to play well with whatever systems the companies are using internally. I suspect that many HR departments are applying some level or processing or parsing (scanning for keywords) to these resumes before people even look at them. The tools they are using may not be able to handle PDF as easily as Word files.

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RE[3]: holding things back
by twitterfire on Fri 24th Jun 2011 17:46 in reply to "RE[2]: holding things back"
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11


I have not looked recently but my personal experience has certainly been that a lot of HR departments require resumes in Microsoft Word format (or even plain text).

A big part of this is just the non-technical and somewhat retarded culture of HR.


What's non-technical or retarded? The fact that many HR departments know that MS Office is the most used office suite, the best way to exchange documents, and, to some extent, the best office suite from both a technical point of view and usability?

It would be retarded to require documents in other formats.

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